From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 1 15:49:12 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:49:12 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Planting rye grass The window for planting rye grass is quite narrow, usually from Oct 15 to Nov 15. This year it was even narrower because of the early cold weather. The soil temperature needs to be at least 63 degrees F in order for the seed to sprout. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From mbuksas@worldnet.at.net Fri Dec 1 16:50:38 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:50:38 -0700 (MST) From: mbuksas@worldnet.at.net mbuksas@worldnet.at.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I see Elderica and Aleppo pine trees in 5 gal pots for sale right now. Are these pines suitable for growing in the Phoenix area? Is one better that the other? Can they be kept as Christmas trees indoors - if they can be inside the house with decorations, for how long? When should they be planted in the ground? Thanks for your help. From bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Fri Dec 1 20:46:39 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) From: bmaynard@woodrodgers.com bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... thank you for your help bill From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 1 22:21:28 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:21:28 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Pine trees that do well in the low desert Hi Mary, both the Aleppo and the Elderica pine do well in the low desert in fact most of the pines that you see around the valley are one or the other. They will do fine inside for Christmas, just be sure that they have adequate water. As soon as the holidays are over will be a good time to plant the tree. As a landscape maintenance supervisor for a church in Mesa, I have sucessfully planted several pines that have been donated after Christmas. My preferance of the two trees is the Elderica because its shape is more pyramidal than the Alleppo. Enjoy your holidays. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From saz621@primenet.com Fri Dec 1 22:37:41 2000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:37:41 -0700 From: Mary Irish saz621@primenet.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: pines Both pines are very suitable for growing outdoors here, they are the two most common pines in the area. But beward, they get big, very big. At maturity Aleppo will be about 50 ft tall and spread about that much, Eldarica isn't much smaller but not quite as wide. If you want it for a Christmas tree it will be fine in the house for about 10 days. Be sure to keep it very well watered and with as much light as you can manage. You can plant them anytime you like during the cool weather. Mary Irish mbuksas@worldnet.at.net wrote: > I see Elderica and Aleppo pine trees in 5 gal pots for sale right now. Are these pines suitable for growing in the Phoenix area? Is one better that the other? Can they be kept as Christmas trees indoors - if they can be inside the house with decorations, for how long? When should they be planted in the ground? Thanks for your help. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From pleshowitz@hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:18:40 2000 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:18:40 -0700 (MST) From: pleshowitz@hotmail.com pleshowitz@hotmail.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page My texas rangers seem to be distressed with the majority of the leaves turning yellow. The only leaves having a greenish/gray color are at the topmost portion of each branch. We have a drip irrigation system and water each plant for two hours every five days. Thanks for any help you can provide From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Dec 2 21:09:32 2000 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:09:32 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Yellow leaves on Texas Ranger The Texas Ranger is quite drought tolerant and does not require a lot of water. The yellow leaves are caused by overwatering. This time of year watering once every three to four weeks is adequate. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Dec 2 21:53:46 2000 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:53:46 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Leaf drop on Ficus tree If your tree is a Ficus benjamina it is prone to periodic leaf drop and especially with changes in weather conditions such as we have had recently. The Ficus nitida could also have some leaf drop with radical temperature changes. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From cmcalmond@home.com Sun Dec 3 21:11:11 2000 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:11:11 -0700 (MST) From: cmcalmond@home.com cmcalmond@home.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page my queen palm stems are bending straigt down when they come out the top. From SorensenM@aol.com Mon Dec 4 04:21:49 2000 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:21:49 EST From: SorensenM@aol.com SorensenM@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Remove me from the mailing list From gmoondoggie@uswest.net Mon Dec 4 15:42:11 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:42:11 -0700 (MST) From: gmoondoggie@uswest.net gmoondoggie@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I just planted a 24" box Guava tree what care to you suggest. I live in south Scottsdale. Thank you! From sjbass@uswest.net Mon Dec 4 17:04:40 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:04:40 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Poinsettias Seasons Greetings! I'd like a share a very nice web page on Poinsettias put out by the University of Illinois Extension. You can visit it at: http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/poinsettia/ The site contains such information as History and Legend, Poinsettia Facts, Poinsettia Care, and more. Of particular interest to me was the fact that Poinsettia are not poisonous as we have all been led to believe over the years. An Ohio State University study is sited in the Poinsettia Facts section. Enjoy! Sue Bass Master Gardener From mblock@Ag.Arizona.Edu Mon Dec 4 17:36:33 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:36:33 -0700 From: Marikelly Block mblock@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fwd: hey i have some questions Could someone on the listserv help this student out with these questions? Send me a carbon copy of your response if you are able to help out. Thanks Kelly >From: Harleygrl20@aol.com >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:28:29 EST >Subject: hey i have some questions >To: ceweb@Ag.Arizona.Edu >X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 110 > > Hi , Im working on my science fair project and i have to to interview a >expert, i was wondering if someone could answer a few questions for me? I >got information from AZ Master Gardener Manual. My problem question is , >which plants absorb dye better? (im not sure on the exact wordding.) > >1.) How do plants eat? > >2.)What part of the stem ,roots do plants use to absord things? > >3.) Do all plants use the same parts of the stem and roots to absorb things? > >4.) why do only certian flowers change color when you put them in coloerd >water? > >5.) if i use food coloring how long do you think it would take for the plants >to change color? > **************************** Marikelly Block Applications Systems Analyst Senior Cooperative Extension University of Arizona 301 Forbes Bldg. Tucson, AZ 85721 520-626-9174 mblock@ag.arizona.edu From crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu Mon Dec 4 19:36:01 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) From: crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page From kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com Mon Dec 4 23:24:22 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:22 -0700 (MST) From: kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have a fruit cocktail citrus tree that is 3-5 years old. This was the first year it produced fruit (oranges). I watered the tree thoroughly & fertilized it four times per year. I just tasted one oranges off the tree and it tastes "okay." I expected it to be much sweeter & juicer than store purchased oranges, but it's not. Any suggestions or reasons why? Thank you. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Mon Dec 4 23:59:12 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:59:12 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Queen Palm fronds hanging down vertically A strong wind will sometimes bend the palm fronds over so that they hang vertically. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 5 00:11:41 2000 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:11:41 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Oranges not sweet The longer citrus stays on the tree the sweeter they get. I usually do not pick many oranges until January or February or later. The fruit will be good until late spring. If the variety is valentia, it does not ripen until February. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Tue Dec 5 02:42:36 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] "Pink Plants" I don't have a clue what these plants are, but permit me to share a similar question I had on our drive south to Douglas for Thanksgiving. There were a number of dark pink hued bushes all along I-10, about the same size you mention. Fields and fields of glorious, cold-induced color. Turns out they were all frost-bitten tumbleweeds, a true problem plant in our state. Could this be what you are witnessing? They're much more acceptable in their autumnal foliage, in my opinion! Linda Guy Master Gardener edieweber1@hotmail.com wrote: > I would like to know the name of the pink plants that have sprung up in disturbed soil around Fountain Hills and the Ft. McDowell reservation. They seem to grow to about a foot tall and each branch is covered with tiny pink and maroon flowers. There are prickers all over the branch, and the flowers seem to grow out of the prickers. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Tue Dec 5 02:48:30 2000 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:48:30 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flower Selection A good place to start for information on annuals is one of our online publications, AZ 1100 Flower and Bedding Plant Guide for the low desert. Write us again if you have more specific questions after perusing this. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#Flowers Linda Guy Master Gardener Bat4@msn.com wrote: > My house faces East and West. During this > time of the year a lot of they areas I would > like to plant flowers has early morning sun > but mostly shade. Are there any flowers that > do well with mostly shade and what are they? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From cenalmor@yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 14:25:18 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:25:18 -0700 (MST) From: cenalmor@yahoo.com cenalmor@yahoo.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have a Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia millii) that I got about 3 months ago as a gift. I have never found too much info on how to care for this plant, but I had it inside and it did alright for a while, it even bloomed. For the last 3-4 weeks, leaves have first slowly turn yellow and dropped, and now, at a very fast speed, I loose about 3-4 leaves a day. This morning there were only 3 semi-live leaves on it. I have tried putting it next to a brighter window, since I thought with the shorter days it may not be getting enough light. Also I have cut back in watering as with all of my other plants. The leaves seem to be turning yellow with brown hard dots everywhere. I don't know if it's just bad care on my part or if it actually has a problem. Can anybody help me? I haven't been able to find much information internet. Thank you, Barbara From saz621@primenet.com Tue Dec 5 15:30:46 2000 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:30:46 -0700 From: Mary Irish saz621@primenet.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Crown of Thorns Barbara, Your crown of thorns is probably not in trouble. This euphorbia grows best in very strong light and grows most when it is warmer than it is now. Its response to low light, drought, or cool temperatures is to drop all its leaves. This is not a problem, and the cutting back on watering was an excellent thing to do when it is in this state. Most will set a new flush of leaves either by putting them in stronger light or certainly when the weather warms in late February. This species does extremely well in a pot outdoors on the patio, or even in the ground if the bed is rocky and very well drained. It is a bit frost sensitive so if you think the temperatures in your yard will get below 30 degrees, bring it under the eaves or in the house for a short time. Good luck and enjoy this wonderful shrub. Mary cenalmor@yahoo.com wrote: > I have a Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia millii) that I got about 3 months ago as a gift. I have never found too much info on how to care for this plant, but I had it inside and it did alright for a while, it even bloomed. For the last 3-4 weeks, leaves have first slowly turn yellow and dropped, and now, at a very fast speed, I loose about 3-4 leaves a day. This morning there were only 3 semi-live leaves on it. I have tried putting it next to a brighter window, since I thought with the shorter days it may not be getting enough light. Also I have cut back in watering as with all of my other plants. The leaves seem to be turning yellow with brown hard dots everywhere. I don't know if it's just bad care on my part or if it actually has a problem. Can anybody help me? I haven't been able to find much information internet. > Thank you, > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Landlightdesign@aol.com Tue Dec 5 17:47:47 2000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:47:47 EST From: Landlightdesign@aol.com Landlightdesign@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #23 - 31 msgs Maine,Arizona senior project --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cathy, The Irrigation system is a good starting point for any residential landscape planted in Arizona. The Arizona Municipal Water users Association has a guideline for landscape drip irrigation systems. They will provide you with a copy @602-248-8482. You might also check out http:// www.graywater.com/index.htm it has some very good info and lots of links. --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cathy, The Irrigation system is a good starting point for any residential
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www.graywater.com/index.htm it has some very good info and lots of links. --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary-- From cnoyes@Ag.Arizona.Edu Wed Dec 6 16:34:12 2000 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:34:12 -0700 From: Carol Noyes cnoyes@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] New Live Gardening Internet Radio Show Mary Irish has a new live Internet radio show every Saturday from 7:00 am to 8:00 am. Callers may either call in on the phone or send an email in to ask a question or provide a comment. One can access the show by going to the website www.elandscape.com and following the directions given there. while the directions are easy to follow, it is necessary to have 'player' software installed before you can hear the show. The most common one is 'RealPlayer' which is default loaded on almost all machines that are pretty new or have a Pentium chip in them. the other 'Winmap' can be downloaded for free off of the website. Anyone who doesn't have a player and needs to download it, or isn't sure about the whole process, should try it out a day or two before listening. The show is fun. Terry Mikel was a guest last week. The shows are archived on the site so one can go anytime and listen to any show, you just can't call or email in a question. Be sure and check it out! Carol Noyes Administrative Secretary Maricopa County Urban Horticulture/Master Gardener programs 602-470-8086 Ext. 308 Have a wonderful day!! ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~ From jjessex@quest.com Wed Dec 6 16:53:21 2000 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:53:21 -0700 (MST) From: jjessex@quest.com jjessex@quest.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Is there any way to keep rabbits from eating flowers? From gmoondoggi@uswest.net Thu Dec 7 01:16:17 2000 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:16:17 -0700 (MST) From: gmoondoggi@uswest.net gmoondoggi@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page How do you care for a new 24" box guava tree planted Nov 30, 2000? From E10L25H@aol.com Thu Dec 7 02:34:05 2000 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:34:05 -0700 (MST) From: E10L25H@aol.com E10L25H@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I'm currently working with a client on 3 southwestern courtyards,The problem is they are in southern louisiana, we are known for our extreme wet climate. I greatly need advice on some possible cactus and southwestern plants that can make it here, in the south. All will be planted in pots capible of bringing indoors. thank you for your time From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 14:53:25 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:53:25 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Guava care I am assuming that what you planted is the pineapple guava [Feijoa sellowiana], and not guava [Psidium] which the Sunset Western Garden Book only recommends for cool coastal areas of California. Both are of the myrtaceae family and are very large, evergreen shrubs that can be trained into trees. The former, which does grow in Phoenix, is a hardy subtropical fruit from South America. It is as wide as high, unless trained, and it can take almost any amount of pruning into an espalier, screen, tree or small hedge. Pruning is recommended for late spring. Fruit production is low in the desert, although areas of temperate climate produce much better. Beechwood, Coolidge and Nazemetz improved varieties are self-fertile, but cross-pollination with another tree improves the crop for these, and is necessary for other varieties. The fleshy white petals aree said to be edible and a garnish for fruit salads was recommended. These flowers are attractive to birds and bees. The tree is very drought tolerant and takes little water once established [after first year in ground] and will even handle water levels received if placed in the lawn. Deep watering to 2-3' every three weeks or so in the summer should do well in establishing the tree. Beyond this, I have little information on fertilizing, which, if you want fruit production, would probbly be a necessity. May I suggest you contact the Arizona chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers, which has a link from our page of garden clubs at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm Good luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener gmoondoggi@uswest.net wrote: > How do you care for a new 24" box guava tree planted Nov 30, 2000? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 15:26:41 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:26:41 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Rabbit Management Barrier protection is the only truly effective means. Have you ever visited the Desert Botanical Gardens to see all the barriers they've built? During the drought of the summers, in particular, wildlife will eat anything that has a hint of succulence for the water content. You might view our page on management strategies at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/animals/rabbit.htm Some organic farm and garden suppliers sell predator urine [e.g. fox] with which to 'mark' one's gardens. Like other spray repellants, it washes off, but having sprayed your garden from time to time, it may be sufficient to suggest to the rabbits that they are safer in another's patch! The same can be accomplished with outdoor domestic animals [cats in particular], which strategy I can only recommend in rural areas, with the animals spayed/neutered, of course. Another very good strategy is to plant varieties that they do not like. I used to have a bookmark for a website with plants that resist rabbits [daffodils was one, I recall], but cannot find it now. Hopefully, one of my colleagues will be able to refresh my memory and provide you with this info. Linda Guy Master Gardener jjessex@quest.com wrote: > Is there any way to keep rabbits from eating flowers? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From saz621@primenet.com Thu Dec 7 16:35:06 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:35:06 -0700 From: Mary Irish saz621@primenet.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:swamp succulents I, too, used to grow plants, including succulents in southeast Louisiana specifically New Orleans. Here are a few tips I learned. Grow them in pots with exception rocky soils in the pots for drainage. Bring them in for the winter beginning when the nights turn really cool and barely if ever water them during that time but do provide as much light as you can. If they have leaves, like pachypodiums, certain euphorbias and so forth and they drop their leaves in the winter, let them, keep them bone dry and wait for spring. Almost anything would grow for me but many of the leaf succulents (aloes, gasteria and so forth) as well as many of the small globular (rounded) cactus did the best. Succulents that I mentioned above with leaves are very good, but you have to be attentive to their dormancy requirements and keep them away from water in the winter. Good luck, Mary E10L25H@aol.com wrote: > I'm currently working with a client on > 3 southwestern courtyards,The problem > is they are in southern louisiana, we > are known for our extreme wet climate. > I greatly need advice on some possible > cactus and southwestern plants that can > make it here, in the south. All will be > planted in pots capible of bringing > indoors. thank you for your time > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:29:01 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:29:01 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Science Project We used to have some very good and basic material in our 4-H area, and I am trying to locate some of this for you. In the meantime, let me try to address some of the basics. There are many types of root systems: fibrous roots of grass, corn, some flowers and shrubs; enlarged stems of an Irish potato, the globular root of a beet, the taproot of a carrot or dill plant. There are even aerial roots on certain plants. These should not be confused with bulbuous plants, like garlic or daffodils, whose bulbs are actually compacted sections of the stem complete with buds and modified leaves. The roots on a bulb dangle from the bulb's base; the part you cut off from the bottom of a green onion, for example. Plant roots absorb water and dissolved nutrients from the soil and conduct this to the stem to be distributed to the plant. The wall of each root cell is a semipermeable membrane, the sap inside the cell is a fairly strong solution of water, sugar & other substances called salts [not just NaCl!], and the scientific principle in play here is osmosis. The stronger solution inside the cell attracts the weaker one in the soil across the membrane. Ask your teacher to explain this better to you. We know a whole lot less about plant roots that plant tops, since they grow underground and when we remove them from the soil they no longer are behaving as in their natural habitat. There are several kinds of water in soil. Some is held so tightly by the soil that plants can't get it. That is, the chemical bond to the soil particle is stronger than the osmosis that the root cells could generate to attract it away to the plant. Once you add a bit more water, then some is held loosely by soil particles and the plant is able to absorb this by osmosis. Lastly, if the soil is really saturated with water, the excess runs through the soil, pulled by gravity. [There is also water evaporation from the top of the soil which acts against gravity and draws water up.] If there is extra water in the soil, the roots will also act in a storage capacity for the plant. Now on to the rest of the plant. Stems carry water and dissolved nutrients, called sap once inside the plant, up and into the above ground structure. Sap is moved by a combination of scientific forces: osmosis, capillary action, transpiration and the pressure in the atmosphere. Lots of water in the soil increases the rate of osmosis because the more water in the soil, the more dilute it is compared to that in the root cell. Sap will not move up the plant through the stem tissue called xylem if there is no water coming in through the roots. The capillary action in a plant stem is like a straw standing in a pan of water. The thinner and taller the tube the higher the water will rise [again assuming there is adequate water in the soil]. As the leaves of the plant transpire or lose water to evaporation, this action is like sucking on the end of the straw. Evaporation is controlled by openings in plant leaves called stomata, in the outside cell layers. The green matter of leaves is chlorophyll. Using the energy of the sun, the cells manufacture carbohydrates or sugars from the water and dissolved nutrients that the roots absorbed, and carbon dioxide in the air. This process is photosynthesis. If you had the ability to look at the cells in a leaf you would see that the parts that are shielded from the sun do not produce the plant's food, since sunlight is necessary for this process. A by-product of the plant's producing its food supply is the oxygen that is vital for us humans. Carbon dioxide comes in and oxygen goes out through the leaves' stomata which we already talked about. The leaf will save some of the food it generates and send the rest back into the plant. Some returns to the roots where it helps the root cells to grow [this happens at the tips of the roots] and get bigger and longer to absorb more water and nutrients to send up to the leaves, in the same cycle. It is not only flowers that will change colors: if you conduct the same experiment with a stalk of celery, for example, you will see stem and leaf change color, too. I don't know exactly why, but I suspect it may have to do with the volume of water in the cell tissue which carries the dye. Celery has a very high water content. There are two very good, basic books that show all these structures. Perhaps you can look for them in the library. I'm not sure what grade you are in, and I hope I won't insult you with this selection of what might appear to be picture books! Look very carefully as one of them has incredible detail on cell biology, including mitochondria, ER, nucleus, cytoplasm, etc. [I am a massage therapist, and I had to learn all about this type of stuff as it relates to our own human bodies!] One is from the Inside Guides series, called Incredible Plants. The other is Picturepedia of Plants. Both are DK Publishing books. Please write us back if you need more help, or at least to give us an address to mail some materials, if we find they are available. Good luck on your project. Linda Guy Master Gardener From amandaset@aol.com Thu Dec 7 16:45:44 2000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:45:44 -0700 (MST) From: amandaset@aol.com amandaset@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page If you have any information you could send to me regarding the following plants: Poverty bush Mexican Heather Pink Verbena Royal Robe bush Salvia greggi sage Thank you, Amanda From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:39:35 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:39:35 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peoria Nurseries We aren't 'permitted' to recommend specific suppliers, but I have purchased plant materials from the following nurseries which have outlets in or near Peoria. However, Peoria is pretty big, north to south, and I'm not sure they'd be near, say Harper's, which is in the adjacent town of Surprise. Tip Top [623/971-9311] Gardener's World [623-934-0700] Harper's [623-583-9250] Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County naeve@ames.net wrote: > My parents just purchased a home in a retirement community in Peoria, Arizona. They will need some landscape materials and advice. Can you recommend a good, reputable nursery in their area where I could purchase a gift certificate for Christmas? If possible, send me their phone number. THANKS. > > Linda Naeve > Ames, IA 515-292-7778 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:49:09 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:49:09 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Persimmons in Tucson According to the Sunset Western Garden Book, p. 412, the Oriental or Japanese persimmon [Diospyros kaki] will grow here but will rarely fruit. It does not say if this is because the heat impacts pollination, or the lack of winter chill hours, which you may well have if you have frost often. Most deciduous fruit trees will have a minimum requirement for hours of winter cold in order to fruit well. If you do not care about the fruit, it is still a lovely ornamental tree. It probably needs some pretty consistent watering in the summer. The American persimmon [D. virginiana], which I grew up with in rural Maryland, is not recommended in your zone at all. You might want to try the link to the Arizona Chapter of California Rare Fruit Growers to see if someone is growing these successfully and which varieties work particularly well. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm Linda Guy Master Gardener sprocket@primenet.com wrote: > Is it possible to grow persimmons in Tucson? We live in an area that gets very cold during the winter, down to below freezing. > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:51:42 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:51:42 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Fwd: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you address this gentleman's question regarding the suitability of the Youth Gardening Conference to his California locale? Linda --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: lindaguy@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 1339 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2000 20:47:23 -0000 Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) by pop.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 20:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55049 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from ag.arizona.edu (128.196.42.70) by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29266; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ag.arizona.edu (Ag.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.70]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29150 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Errors-To: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From: bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Sender: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Originating-URL: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/question.htm Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page X-BeenThere: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Gardening and Landscaping in Dry Climates X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... thank you for your help bill _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87-- From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:05:05 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:05 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Insurance for School Gardening Because you are simply a gathering of neighbors, I suspect it may be harder to secure insurance than if you were some kind of legal entity. Can the agency take out the policy or an additional rider and your group pay for it? The landowner should first make sure its own insurance covers property damage and personal injury claims as well. Most schools, botanical gardens, or government agencies can simply attach a rider for your extra activity at some minimal additional cost, which you could pick up or ask the PTA to help support. Places to try for more information are the American Community Gardening Assn. http://communitygarden.org/ or the National Gardening Association http://www.garden.org/ who are pretty active in this area. I have forwarded your note to someone who is intimately involved with the February conference, asking her to address your concerns about applicability to a California locale. Have you seen our website sections on Youth Gardening http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/youth/youth.htm and our book on same http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/sch-bk.htm ? Linda Guy Master Gardener bmaynard@woodrodgers.com wrote: > the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... > my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? > we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? > > and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... > > thank you for your help > > bill > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:22:11 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:22:11 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Science Project Cathy, Believe it or not, we have so many climate zones, [we even have ski resorts that already opened!] that you could do a paper on planting at just about any elevation. I'll assume you want to focus on the low desert in and around Phoenix, where we are based, and take it from there. I highly recommend the brochures from the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association. The pictures are colorful, and they are arranged in a variety of attractive landscape settings. http://www.amwua.org/ Spend some time studying the concept of xeriscaping, which we actively recommend for landscaping here. The Desert Botanical Gardens located in Phoenix also have some online information. Look specifically at recommended plants for our area. http://www.dbg.org/5/infosht.html Once you have the name from these lists, you could see photos at http://www.aridzonetrees.com/gallery.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/plants/plants-b.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/plants/plants-a.htm Best of luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County XER519@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am a student at Assabet Valley Regional Technical High School and i have to do a "Senior Project" and i choose to compare how to landscape two different landscapes with very different climates. Maine and Arizona. So i was hoping you could give me some ideas on what you would use to landscape a home down there in Arizona.(Trees, Shrubs, flowers...etc) I would very much appreciate it if you could help me. > Thank you for your time > ~Cathy~ > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:33:35 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:33:35 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bamboo Check out the website of the American Bamboo Society. The Tierra Seca chapter has principals based in Tucson, and there is a direct link to them from this site. http://www.bamboo.org/abs/ The Sunset Western Garden Book has a substantial discussion on bamboo as well. Their 5 pages are too much to summarize here. Linda Guy Master Gardener phg@citieswestpub.com wrote: > Does anyone know about growing bamboo in the Valley? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From david.beaujon@state.co.us Thu Dec 7 18:05:51 2000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:05:51 -0700 (MST) From: david.beaujon@state.co.us david.beaujon@state.co.us Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I work for the Colorado General Assembly. A legislator is considering legislation to provide a tax credit for planting drought resistant grasses instead of Kentucky Blue Grass. He hopes this program will reduce the growing demand for municipal water. He asked me to find information on the preferred, drought resistant grasses in Arizona. Please send me information about the recommended grasses, including water saving that results from planting a particular grass. He is especially interested in grasses that live throughout the year and from one growing season to the next. Any help is greatly appreciated. My phone # (303) 866-4781 and fax is (303) 866-3855 From Paquito714@netscape.net Thu Dec 7 18:49:14 2000 Date: 7 Dec 00 10:49:14 PST From: Francisco Saenz Paquito714@netscape.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] REMOVE FROM MAIL LIST Please remove me from your mailing list, will like to hear from you, only if I ask an specific question. The rest of th e messages are totally irrelevant to me Best Regards... Francisco Saenz Paquito714@ Netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From aztortoiselady@aol.com Thu Dec 7 19:29:19 2000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:29:19 -0700 (MST) From: aztortoiselady@aol.com aztortoiselady@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page PLEASE HELP ME FIND: I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. Thank you Marla From steve.sheard@motorola.com Thu Dec 7 20:21:10 2000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:21:10 -0700 From: Stephen Sheard steve.sheard@motorola.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado in Tempe I have an Avacado tree that is now about 18". I want to plant it out in the yard. Any recommendations? Can I ever expect fruit in this climate? After how many years. Regards Steve Sheard From rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com Thu Dec 7 20:56:05 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:56:05 -0700 From: Alan Zelhart rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Marla, I could only find a site that sells the seeds. Here is the website address and other information: http://www.greatbasinseed.com/pg2.html Also, one of your arboretums or garden centers may sell them. Also, botonical nurseries. Alan aztortoiselady@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE HELP ME FIND: > > I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. > Thank you Marla > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener -- Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector R. Alan Zelhart CAD Software Asset Management 2100 East Elliot Road; Mail Drop EL714 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Sunset Zone: 13 - Metro Phoenix Work Phone: (480) 413-3470 Home Phone: (480) 699-3977 Cell Phone: (602) 692-4037 Pager: (888) 996-9501 Fax: (480) 413-5723 "You can't create a reputation you haven't earned" --Robert W. Galvin From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 8 00:39:11 2000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:39:11 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado in Tempe I'd like to refer you to the Arizona Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers for help with your avocado question. Please go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/sub-trpc.htm for information on how to contact them. Good Luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Stephen Sheard wrote: > I have an Avacado tree that is now about 18". I want to plant it out in the > yard. Any recommendations? Can I ever expect fruit in this climate? After > how many years. > Regards > Steve Sheard > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From umiller@azdps.com Fri Dec 8 03:13:05 2000 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:13:05 -0700 From: Ursula Miller umiller@azdps.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] RE: [Arid gardener] Peoria Nurseries Hi, Linda - Gardener's World in Peoria closed a while ago. I volunteered at their poinsettia festival at the Baseline Gardener's World location last Saturday and they told me that the Peoria store is now closed. Too bad - they had a nice selection. Ursula Miller -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Linda Guy Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:40 AM To: naeve@ames.net Cc: Arid gardener server Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peoria Nurseries We aren't 'permitted' to recommend specific suppliers, but I have purchased plant materials from the following nurseries which have outlets in or near Peoria. However, Peoria is pretty big, north to south, and I'm not sure they'd be near, say Harper's, which is in the adjacent town of Surprise. Tip Top [623/971-9311] Gardener's World [623-934-0700] Harper's [623-583-9250] Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County naeve@ames.net wrote: > My parents just purchased a home in a retirement community in Peoria, Arizona. They will need some landscape materials and advice. Can you recommend a good, reputable nursery in their area where I could purchase a gift certificate for Christmas? If possible, send me their phone number. THANKS. > > Linda Naeve > Ames, IA 515-292-7778 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 13:52:26 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 06:52:26 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Lemon Bottle Brush These Australian natives need very little water once established, as well as full sun shine. They are very tolerant of our alkaline soils. I'm thinking that (a) you placed them on the east side where their sun exposure is too limited and /or (b) you are watering them as if they were less-adapted to our climate, which is to say too much water is being applied. You don't say that they are appearing damaged in any way, but just a word of caution that they suffer from chlorosis [see our discussion of this at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/cultural/chlorsis.htm]. This is another condition of overwet soil. I see that your question dates from the end of October. I'm so sorry that it has taken us this long to respond. Our vegetable gardens are in full swing in the month of November and many of us volunteers have dirt rather than a keyboard under our fingers in this time frame. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Linda Guy Master Gardener Autumntwo@earthlink.net wrote: > I have two 5 year old Lemon Bottle Brush bushes on the east side of my house. The second year they bloomed from late Mar thru Sept, but each year they bloomed fewer months until this year once for about 3 weeks. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:12:09 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:12:09 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Locating Prosopsis pubescens Marla, The screwbean mesquite is an Arizona native, and I've known many nurseries in the valley to carry them. Baker's, Harper's and Desert Winds in Phoenix specifically come to mind. They aren't carried all year long, and since autumn is such a great time to plant, they may have run out. Send me your address and I'll send you a few of my little 'screwbeans'. These will have been laying on my granite for some time and are beginning to blacken and rot...a perfect time to get the seeds. Too bad you don't live around here, you could dig up some of the volunteers! Linda Guy Master Gardener aztortoiselady@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE HELP ME FIND: > > I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. > Thank you Marla > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:20:44 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:20:44 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Arborvitae I don't know anything about this particular plant, but it appears that you haven't heard from one of us yet, so here goes. The Sunset Western Garden Book and some of my other reference materials do not have specific pruning instructions, either. Unless the branch is clearly dead, dry, snaps in your hand, I would be inclined to wait for a flush of new growth come spring and prune around that. Linda Guy Master Gardener ahayes1915@aol.com wrote: > I have a arborvitae and this summer the heat > really affected it. It has alot of dead > stuff on it. What I would like to know should I cut off all the dead wood. It kinda > looks like it is starting to come back with green on some of the branches. Would it be > a good time to fertilze it. And what kind > of fertilzer would be the best. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:27:31 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:27:31 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flowers If you are looking to plant an annual border, we have an excellent publication that is available to you online. Look in the Flowers section of our pubs list at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Linda Guy Master Gardener thgroves@infomagic.com wrote: > I am looking for flower suggestions. I am wanting to cover a large "berm" that is on the West side of my father's home in New River. What he had in mind was a mass planting of flowers but we need some sugestions as to what would be appropriate. He is looking for flowers that bloom year round or as close to it as possible. The area varies from full shade to full sun so a variety of flowers are probably in order. Having been born and raised in Flagstaff, I am new to gardening in this climate and would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:35:20 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:35:20 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus Variety Selection I would certainly recommend using dwarf stock in an area such as you describe. Citrus are very broad trees. For ideas on which variety you might prefer, see our excellent pub AZ 1001 on our pubs list page at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#top While you are there, check out the pub on irrigation, also online. That way you'll give your trees a good start! Linda Guy Master gardener saltou@uswest.net wrote: > We have about 6 feet between our back wall > to our property and the curbing for the grass > area in our back yard. Is there enough room > to plant a citrus tree there? How close should > we plant to the curb where the grass starts? > We what to plant an orange tree, lemon tree > and a grapefruit tree. Do they come in dwarf > varities? What is the best for eating or > juicing? How close can I plant the trees to > each other. Thanks. > Debbie > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:43:27 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:43:27 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Native Grasses I will refer your question to a fellow Master Gardener who is also a turf agronomist. I've sent him several emails lately and haven't received responses, so I'm assuming his business demands are pressing at the moment. However the good news is that there are some high desert nurseries that could be of help to you now. David Salman of Santa Fe Greenhouses/High Country Gardens catalog [ www.highcountrygardens.com ] is, I thought, somehow affiliated with your own Denver Botanical Gardens. And Plants of the Southwest, also in Santa Fe, sells native grasses too. www.plantsofthesouthwest.com This should at least get you started. Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County david.beaujon@state.co.us wrote: > I work for the Colorado General Assembly. A legislator is considering legislation to provide a tax credit for planting drought resistant grasses instead of Kentucky Blue Grass. He hopes this program will reduce the growing demand for municipal water. He asked me to find information on the preferred, drought resistant grasses in Arizona. Please send me information about the recommended grasses, including water saving that results from planting a particular grass. He is especially interested in grasses that live throughout the year and from one growing season to the next. Any help is greatly appreciated. My phone # (303) 866-4781 and fax is (303) 866-3855 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:57:12 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:57:12 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Effect of Gray water on marigolds We have some publications on the topic which you need to order [they aren't online] At http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#soil you can order MC 64, Grey Water for Plants. The impact is dependent on the composition of your laundry soap. In general, however, plants that like alkaline conditions [bermuda grass, oleanders, palms] will handle grey water better. A marigold would not fall in this classification. If you are using a very high sodium/alkaline detergent, for which a valve is recommended that you would manually divert wash cycle water to the sewer/septic system and rinse water to the plants. Another pub that you might want to order is 8736 Softened & Recycled Water. In addition to this you might peruse the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association and see if someone there has more info. http://www.amwua.org/ In general, if you are going to use these beds on an ongoing basis, you should be cautious of intensifying our soil's propensity to retain salt. Linda Guy Master Gardener 06kelong@ksbe.edu wrote: > do you know what the effect of gray water is on plants? especially french marigolds? thankx a lot! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 16:06:38 2000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:06:38 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Banana Palm Ensete is a palmlike perennial and is the closest I could come to your plant. If this is what you have, the Sunset Western Garden Book says that flowers will usually form 2-5 years after planting; after flowering, the plant dies to its roots, after which new plants will sprout from the now soil-level crown. However, the book simply recommends replacing the plant at that point. Pruning would probably entail removing the outer dried leaves. You could try shortening the plant with a propagation technique called air layering at http://ag.arizona.edu./pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html which is a section of the Arizona Master Gardener Manual. Another technique on the same page that might work is root cutting. Good luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener mp@gknet.com wrote: > How do you prune a banana palm? There is new growth coming out of the top but the bottom and side leaves are all dried and brown. It is very tall and I want to fill out the bottom. If I cut it straight across at the bottom, will new growth appear or will I kill the plant if I do that. If I trim off all the dry, dead leaves, it will appear top-heavy. Any suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From librarian2002@yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 21:22:23 2000 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:22:23 -0700 (MST) From: librarian2002@yahoo.com librarian2002@yahoo.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I would like to hear from anyone in NE Phx area who could assist with landscape design for a small area at Gold Dust School (36th Street & Cholla). Cub Scouts and PTSA joint project. (602) 485-3771. Thanks! From cenalmor@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 00:11:43 2000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:11:43 -0800 From: Barbara Cenalmor cenalmor@yahoo.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of Spain = with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and = when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is = it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love = to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can = plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about = importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that = will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the = area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? Also, is there a = place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? Or if not, I was = planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I = can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this. Do Manzanita = bushes have a tap root? That could make it difficult for me to dig one = up. Is there any easier way to propagate? I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that = would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I = can solve this problem before. =20 Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, this may be a strange = request.  My mother=20 lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the=20 Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love = with the=20 Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a = large=20 property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small = Manzanita=20 bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have very = strict=20 laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in = something that=20 will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the=20 area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  Also, is = there a=20 place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if not, I = was=20 planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I = can dig=20 up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do = Manzanita bushes=20 have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to dig one = up. =20 Is there any easier way to propagate?
I would appreciate any info, or if you = know of=20 anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm leaving = on Dec.=20 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.  =
Thanks so much in advance to anybody = that helps me=20 with this.
 
Barbara
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From sjbass@uswest.net Mon Dec 11 00:37:45 2000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:37:45 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita --------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara: Manzanita are lovely shrubs. I have seen them in nurseries in the Sedona area. I wouldn't suggest digging one up. Below is the address and phone number of the Gila County Cooperative Extension as well as the e-mail address of Chris Jones, who is an agent at that office. I think they could give you more information on the growing habits of the manzanita and whether it could be taken to Spain without jeopardizing the native plant population. Gila County Cooperative Extension 1177 Monroe Street Globe, AZ 85501-1415 Phone: (520) 425-7179 Fax: (520) 425-0265 ckjones@ag.arizona.edu Good luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Barbara Cenalmor wrote: > Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of > Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, > and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, > or is it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I > would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush > that she can plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict > laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in > something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural > vegetation of the area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? > Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? > Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look > for a small one I can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing > this. Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root? That could make it > difficult for me to dig one up. Is there any easier way to > propagate?I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in > Gila Co. that would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. > and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.Thanks so much in > advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara --------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara:
Manzanita are lovely shrubs.  I have seen them in nurseries in the Sedona area.  I wouldn't suggest digging one up.  Below is the address and phone number of the Gila County Cooperative Extension as well as the e-mail address of Chris Jones, who is an agent at that office.  I think they could give you more information on the growing habits of the manzanita and whether it could be taken to Spain without jeopardizing the native plant population. 

Gila County Cooperative Extension
1177 Monroe Street
Globe, AZ 85501-1415
 Phone: (520) 425-7179
 Fax: (520) 425-0265
ckjones@ag.arizona.edu

Good luck!
Sue Bass
Master Gardener
 
 
 
 

Barbara Cenalmor wrote:

Hi, this may be a strange request.  My mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I can dig up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to dig one up.  Is there any easier way to propagate?I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara
--------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A-- From clydic@netzone.com Mon Dec 11 02:52:05 2000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:52:05 -0700 From: Carol Lydic clydic@netzone.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara, I'm a master gardener in Gila County, and I'd strongly suggest you drive to Payson next weekend and visit Plant Fair Nursery in Star Valley. They carry natives. Manzanita is a protected plant; you could run afoul of the constabulary if you are caught digging one up. And alas, it is not easy to transplant and would probably not survive. I'd suggest you call ahead (520. 474.6556) and make sure they have them in stock before you make the trip. From the other end, I don't have a clue about breaking any laws on the Spanish side! -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Barbara Cenalmor Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:12 PM To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this. Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root? That could make it difficult for me to dig one up. Is there any easier way to propagate? I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before. Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Barbara, I'm a master gardener in Gila = County, and I'd=20 strongly suggest you drive to Payson next weekend and visit Plant Fair = Nursery=20 in Star Valley.  They carry natives.  Manzanita is a protected = plant;=20 you could run afoul of the constabulary if you are caught digging one = up. =20 And alas, it is not easy to transplant and would probably not = survive.  I'd=20 suggest you call ahead (520. 474.6556) and make sure they have them in = stock=20 before you make the trip.  From the other end, I don't have a clue = about=20 breaking any laws on the Spanish side!
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu=20 [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Barbara = Cenalmor
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:12 = PM
To:=20 arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener]=20 manzanita

Hi, this may be a strange = request.  My=20 mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as = the=20 Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love = with the=20 Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a = large=20 property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small = Manzanita=20 bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have = very=20 strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring = in=20 something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural = vegetation=20 of the area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  = Also, is=20 there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if = not, I=20 was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small = one I can=20 dig up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do = Manzanita=20 bushes have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to = dig one=20 up.  Is there any easier way to propagate?
I would appreciate any info, or if = you know of=20 anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm = leaving on=20 Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before. =20
Thanks so much in advance to anybody = that helps=20 me with this.
 
Barbara
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60-- From cruzanhlm@aol.com Mon Dec 11 03:42:26 2000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:42:26 -0700 (MST) From: cruzanhlm@aol.com cruzanhlm@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page why do the leaves on my citrus trees turn yellowish at this time of year? Is there something that I should be doing? Normally they are very green but the tips ends are strating to turn. From Landlightdesign@aol.com Mon Dec 11 14:00:41 2000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:00:41 EST From: Landlightdesign@aol.com Landlightdesign@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #25 - 18 msgs,screwbean,mesquite --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marla, I saw a 5 gal. Screwbean Mesquite for sale at Boyce Thompson Arboretum last week. 520-689-2723 Paul --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marla, I saw a 5 gal. Screwbean Mesquite for sale at Boyce Thompson Arboretum
last week. 520-689-2723

Paul --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary-- From Landlightdesign@aol.com Mon Dec 11 14:48:06 2000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:48:06 EST From: Landlightdesign@aol.com Landlightdesign@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #25 - 18 msgs, Graywater use --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.graywater.com is a good source for graywater info also Tucson Water has funded several studies with the U of A Office of arid lands studies, water resource research center and water conservation alliance of southern Arizona. The City of Santa Barbara has a graywater reuse program that has been in place for several years. They might have info on long term build up problems. You might want to check out Water-wise Gardening by Thomas Christopher, Simon & Schuster ISBN: 0-671-73856-9 Good luck Paul --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.graywater.com is a good source for graywater info also Tucson Water has
funded several studies with the U of A Office of arid lands studies, water
resource research center and water conservation alliance of southern Arizona.
The City of Santa Barbara has a graywater reuse program that has been in
place for several years. They might have info on long term build up problems.
You might want to check out  Water-wise Gardening by Thomas Christopher,
Simon & Schuster ISBN: 0-671-73856-9

Good luck  Paul --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary-- From MTCactiPi@aol.com Tue Dec 12 01:19:36 2000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:19:36 -0700 (MST) From: MTCactiPi@aol.com MTCactiPi@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I am considering planting a queen palm in my garden in Tucson. I think I will plant it in mid to late April when it begins to warm up. My question, hot many feet of growth would a 15 gallon plant put on in one summer-fall growing season. Also, I have plants such as bougainvillea, citrus and olives in my yard-would their watering schedule be adequate for a queen palm. I currently water everthing for 3 hours twice a week during the summer. I can put as many emmiters on the palm as is necessary, but I really don't want to install a seperate line for the palm. I will although hand water it as much as needed until its established. Thaks for any suggestions! From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:49:34 2000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:34 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Sick Palm Plant Pascale, The Chinese Fan Palm ( Livistona chinensis ) is a medium to high water use plant and makes a good indoor potted plant. You may not be giving it enough water. I would suggest that you flush the pot periodically to remove any salts that may be browning the leaves. It is typical of palms for the lower fronds to yellow and die. Most palms require periodic fertilization to keep them looking healthy. Try to find a palm tree fertilizer to meet the special needs of palms, one that is high in nitrogen and potassium and low in phosphorous, a 3-1-3 Ratio is ideal. Do not use a high phosphorous fertilizer such as Miracle Grow 15-30-15 or other similiar formulation. University of Arizona has an excellent bulletin on line about palm tree care at : http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:49:39 2000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:39 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Citrus with yellow leaves It is not abnormal for the citrus leaves to start to turn yellow this time of year. They should green up when temperatures turn warm again. If you haven't increased the irrigation interval, do it right away. Deep water once a month is adequate for your citrus as well as other trees. Over watering can also cause yellow leaves. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From mytuna123@aol.com Tue Dec 12 18:18:43 2000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:18:43 -0700 (MST) From: mytuna123@aol.com mytuna123@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Husband and I just moved to Surprise, Arizona. Del Webb Grand. We had some orange trees planted and the leaves are turning yellow. Can you tell me what to do? Also I have a Gardena Bush and have had it for 6 months..never saw a gardena. Also when and how often do we water in the winter months? Thank you so much...Fran From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 21:20:47 2000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:20:47 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Winter Watering Hi Fran, It is not abnormal for the citrus leaves to start to turn yellow this time of year. They should green up when temperatures turn warm again. If you haven't increased the irrigation interval, do it right away. Deep water once a month is adequate for your citrus as well as other trees. Over watering can also cause yellow leaves. Winter watering for your shrubs should be once every two to three weeks. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From susanwoodrow@earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 14:44:47 2000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:47 -0700 (MST) From: susanwoodrow@earthlink.net susanwoodrow@earthlink.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page We have a dwarf navel orange planted by landscapers in August. I believe they fertilized it when they planted it. It now has dropping yellowed curled leaves. Seems to be only from the top of the tree. There is one large orange on the tree turning orange. It was there when the tree was planted. The tree is on an automatic timed watering system. Thank you. From duplex@att.net Wed Dec 13 15:45:30 2000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:45:30 -0700 (MST) From: duplex@att.net duplex@att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I had an "Arizona Sweet Orange" simi-dwarf planted by my landscaper and have a question. It has been in the ground since the first of February of this year, and doesn't appear to have grown any taller. All growth has been in width, not height. Is that normal, or should I be doing something to encourage it to grow taller? I do occasionally cut the ones growing outward to encourage the growth upward, but it isn't working. Suggestions? Thanks, Doug House From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:40:13 2000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:40:13 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Citrus leaves yellowing It is normal for citrus leaves to yellow at this time of year, also yellowing can be caused by over watering. If you have not changed your time clock to adjust for the winter weather it is time to do so. The curled leaves could be caused by an insect called thrips, nothing to be concerned about , the damage is only cosmetic. Leaves will also curl if the tree is stressed from inadequate water. Check out this website on watering citrus and the folowing on citrus leaf drop: www.ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151 http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/cultural/leaf-drp.htm Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:41:18 2000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:41:18 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Orange tree growing wider than taller Doug, It is not uncommon for citrus to show very little growth the first year in the ground. Is it possible that someone has pruned the top of your orange tree ? If so the tree would grow wider than taller. You are correct in theory by pruning the side branches, however one should do very little pruning on a newly planted tree. Each leaf removed from a tree reduces its food manufacturing capacity. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:41:19 2000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:41:19 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Queen palm care Sorry but I don't have any info on the growth rate of a queen palm. Perhaps someone else on line will have that info. The queen palm will do very well on the same irrigation circuit as the other trees. Your trees would do better if for summer watering you changed your irrigation interval to once per week and doubled the 3 hour watering time. The bougainvillea would blossom more prolifically if you took it off the irrigation system and deep watered it once a month in the summer. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigatoion at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From gliderbabe@webtv.net Thu Dec 14 06:43:45 2000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) From: gliderbabe@webtv.net gliderbabe@webtv.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I recall hearing that one could grow peanuts if you bought them raw. Also that it could be done fairly easily here in Phoenix. I bought some raw Spanish peanuts today, and just wonder when is the best time to plant them, do I need special soil prep, and how much water? Appreciate your time! Thank you! From 2tomdorine@gobi.com Thu Dec 14 15:00:01 2000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:00:01 -0700 (MST) From: 2tomdorine@gobi.com 2tomdorine@gobi.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have two hibiscus bushes whose leaves are turning yellow. What do they need? Also, can they be pruned now since they are getting rather spread out? Thanks. From skiltech@chorus.net Thu Dec 14 20:19:20 2000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:20 -0700 (MST) From: skiltech@chorus.net skiltech@chorus.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I am moving to Phoenix and was wondering what type of plants, flowers and shurbs are good for this area. Any information would be of great help, since I am from the MidWest and I am sure plants are different in Arizona. Thanks for you help Sandi From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 14 21:22:59 2000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:22:59 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Hibiscus leaves yellowing This time of year over watering is usually the cause of yellow leaves. If you haven't adjusted your irrigation schedule for winter watering it is past time to do so. Pruning your hibiscus should wait until after the danger of frost is past. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From oegibson@west.raytheon.com Thu Dec 14 22:09:36 2000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:09:36 -0700 (MST) From: oegibson@west.raytheon.com oegibson@west.raytheon.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I live at 4000' (Arivaca)Southwest of Green Valley AZ. I am looking for a plant source much like the UNLV site that has high desert plants. Thanks Owen Gibson From mfleming@thephxzoo.com Thu Dec 14 22:20:54 2000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:54 -0700 (MST) From: mfleming@thephxzoo.com mfleming@thephxzoo.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Can anyone tell me if subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum) is grown in Arizona and under what conditions? We may use it inside our zoo exhibits. It is generaly know as a cover crop or lawn alternative. Thanks, Sincerely, Mark Fleming From rebecca.richter@asu.edu Fri Dec 15 16:13:10 2000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:13:10 -0700 From: Rebecca Richter rebecca.richter@asu.edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Earn volunteer hours by providing homestay for conference attendees, Feb. 21-25. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable HI! The 4th Annual Southwestern Region Community and School Gardening = Conference is coming up in February. We have out- of-town attendees = that need a place to rest their weary heads after their busy days at the = conference. Simply donate one or more rooms in your home for a few days = and earn volunteer hours! Rooms will be needed from Wednesday, February = 21 through Sunday, February 25. If you are interested, please contact = me for further details at richterrebecca@hotmail.com or 480-317-0789. = Have a great day! Rebecca Richter=20 --Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
HI!
 
The 4th Annual Southwestern Region Community and = School=20 Gardening Conference is coming up in February.  We have out- = of-town=20 attendees that need a place to rest their weary heads after their busy = days at=20 the conference.  Simply donate one or more rooms in your home for a = few=20 days and earn volunteer hours!  Rooms will be needed from = Wednesday,=20 February 21 through Sunday, February 25.  If you are interested, = please=20 contact me for further details at richterrebecca@hotmail.com= or=20 480-317-0789.  Have a great day!
 
Rebecca Richter 
--Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ)-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Dec 17 04:09:12 2000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:09:12 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: tree problems Donny, Improper irrigation is probably the most common cause of the demise of our landscape trees in the low desert. There could be other causes of pine tree death, one of which is nematodes that attack the trees roots. It is not always possible to determine what killed a tree after it is dead nor is it possible to estimate the exact time the tree died. The root spread could be double or greater than the area beneath the drip line of the tree. We see pines around the valley that are at least 50 years or older. With the info you have furnished it is impossible to be more specific. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From ConstancII@aol.com Sun Dec 17 18:59:20 2000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:59:20 -0700 (MST) From: ConstancII@aol.com ConstancII@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have a pretty yellow rose bush (the only one that survived of 4) and yesterday I noticed a branch broken off, I put it in a vase of water, it has two buds on it. How can I get a root system to start a new plant, and how do I grow it? I put the bushes in the ground this spring, so it's young. The base of the bush is thick, but the other branches are thin. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Dec 17 20:39:45 2000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:39:45 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Roses started from cuttings The Master Gardener Manual has an excellent chapter on Plant Propagation and best of all it is on line.Check out the section on asexual propagation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html If you place a 2 liter pop bottle with the bottom cut out over the cutting it will help to keep the humidity high which will enable the cutting to root faster. I'm also including an article on planting and pruning of roses since it is that time of year. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Consulting Rosarian December and January is an exciting time of year for rose lovers, second only to the spring and fall blooming time. The nurseries will be receiving their new stock of roses in mid December, and we rosarians all look forward with anticipation the new rose varieties. For the best selection of varieties don't delay. If you wait until late January you may have trouble finding that favorite rose. You have three options as to where to buy roses: 1. Nurseries, 2. Mail order, 3. Discounters. There is also the option of buying either bare root or potted. My preference is to buy bare root from a nursery that stores the roses in a sawdust bin. The roots of roses stored in a sawdust bin can be examined, and if you don't like the appearance of the roots you don't have to buy. With a packaged rose you don't have that option. After the middle of February my preference is to buy potted roses because they have already started the rooting process, and the chances of survival are much better. If you are unable to find the variety wanted locally, then your only option is mail order.If the mail order option is used, again be sure and order early, not only for the best selection, but you won't want bare root roses shipped to the Phoenix area in March. It's time to plant.Dig the hole a month before you plant if possible, replace the soil with amendments and soak well. Do not put fertilizer in the planting hole at this time. Most rose books recommend a planting hole of at least 18 x 18 inches. My recommendation is to make the planting hole 30 x 30 inches, and especially if the soil is dense clay as is found in most of Maricopa county. If you have much caliche your options are to either dig out the caliche or to build raised beds. It's now planting time. Soak the bare root roses over night in water;dig out some of the planting mix, form a cone,spread the rose roots on the cone with the bud graft 2 inches above grade, backfill and water in well. To keep the canes from drying out mound up either the planting mix or mulch around the canes. January is the time to prune roses for those of you who already have them in your garden. Basically cut your hybred teas, florabundas, and minatures back from 1/3 to 1/2 depending on the size; cut out the dead wood, and strip off all the leaves and clean up around the bush. It is always helpful to attend one of the pruning demonstrations held in public rose gardens by most of the rose societies in the valley. Watch the Saturday newspapers home section for time and place. Have problems with roses or have questions to be answered, call the Master Gardner hot line or talk to one of the many Master Gardner Consulting Rosarians. Rod McKusick, Master Gardner and Consulting Rosarian From richterrebecca@hotmail.com Mon Dec 18 15:18:05 2000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:18:05 -0700 From: Rebecca Richter richterrebecca@hotmail.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] addendum to message sent 12/15 re: homestay for community and school gardening conf. attendees This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I sent a message on 12/15/2000 asking for anyone who would be able to = donate a room in his/her home to conference attendees during the = Southwest Regional Community and School Gardening Conference, Feb. = 22-25, 2001. I'd like to clarify that the conference is in Phoenix, = Arizona. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks! Rebecca Richter ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I sent a message on 12/15/2000 asking for anyone who = would be=20 able to donate a room in his/her home to conference attendees during the = Southwest Regional Community and School Gardening Conference, Feb. = 22-25,=20 2001.  I'd like to clarify that the conference is in Phoenix,=20 Arizona.  Please let me know if you can help.  = Thanks!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580-- From JeanSciFi@aol.com Mon Dec 18 16:35:17 2000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:35:17 EST From: JeanSciFi@aol.com JeanSciFi@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Skeleton Weed Hi Ed, I'm nursing a pet with back problems so have not spent much time on line, sorry. I picked a piece of skeleton weed I thought your described weed might be to check for stickers. I didn't find any although it was very brittle to the touch. I find the weed I'm referring to growing along roadways that have wide dirt shoulders. I took a piece to a master gardener meeting and Terry Miekles said it was skeleton weed. I see there are several kinds of skeleton weed listed in a book called Weeds of the West but none of the pictures look like the specimen I picked up. I don't know where you live but if you could take a piece of the plant to a county extension office someone their could probably ID the plant for you. If you live in Maricopa County the Extension office is 4341 E. Broadway in Phoenix. Good luck with your quest. Jean From arne@citde.net Mon Dec 18 23:10:10 2000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:10:10 -0700 (MST) From: arne@citde.net arne@citde.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I brought a calamondin orange seedling from Florida to Germany. It was packed in a sealed bag to supposedly withstand traveling. When I unpacked it several leaves had browned and fallen off and I put it in a large pot with regular potting soil. I made a hole in the potting soil, sprinkled it with "rooting compound", a powder made from seaweed that is supposedly good for root growth and covered it up. Then I watered the plant from the top as was described in the instructions. In the following days the branches browned further from the top down. The instructions said to water again when the top soil got completely dry which was after about a week. I watered again. Now another week later everything is brown (it was dark green before). Is the plant dead or is there any likelihood that something is still alive? What should I do? I have had an oregano plant that although completely brown on top came out again after several months. Thank you for any help you can provide, -- Arne Ludwig Hamburg, Germany From cbi64@webtv.com Tue Dec 19 04:32:03 2000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:32:03 -0700 (MST) From: cbi64@webtv.com cbi64@webtv.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page not pleased with condition of winter lawn. have sparse spots and areas where heavy gowth. need suggestions on watering and also a good fertilizer to use thanx From ebenware@juno.com Tue Dec 19 05:54:51 2000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:54:51 -0700 From: Edna JK Benware ebenware@juno.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peanuts In the low desert, April is the time to put peanuts in the ground, and harvest in Aug/Sep when the plants begin to die. I did this last year, and they are luscious green plants with tiny yellow flowers. DO take the peanuts out of the shell before planting. DO give each plant room for underground growth of the goobers. Do be sure the ground is well turned/tilled so they can grow easily. Do water deeply no more than weekly, except let dry out a couple of weeks just prior to harvest. Enjoy! Edna Benware Master Gardener On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) gliderbabe@webtv.net writes: > I recall hearing that one could grow peanuts if you bought them raw. > Also that it could be done fairly easily here in Phoenix. I bought > some raw Spanish peanuts today, and just wonder when is the best > time to plant them, do I need special soil prep, and how much water? > Appreciate your time! Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From RAYCOOL@ATT.NET Tue Dec 19 17:11:11 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:11:11 -0700 (MST) From: RAYCOOL@ATT.NET RAYCOOL@ATT.NET Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page can & If I can how do I transplant Mediterranean Fan Palm off-shoots (babies) From gmiller@usagroup.com Tue Dec 19 19:36:34 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST) From: gmiller@usagroup.com gmiller@usagroup.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I need to maintain a green lawn all year round per the HOA in in my neighborhood and since we moved into our house in early december I cannot get any winter rye to grow, I scalped and overseeded 12-9-00 and topped with several bags of steer manure and mulched top dressing. It has been 11 days and still there are no visable sprouts. I am in a bind with the HOA and need to do something. Any suggestions would be helpful? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 19 22:52:20 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:52:20 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Rye grass seed not sprouting Rye grass seed needs soil temperatures above 60 degrees to sprout well, and our soil temps have been below that for over a month in Mesa. It has been an unusual fall to say the least, the window to plant rye grass is usually from October 15 to November 15. This year with the colder than normal temps, narrowed that window to about two weeks. If the seed were allowed to dry after planting it would not have sprouted . I reseeded with rye about the same time that you planted and a very small amount has come up. If we have a warm spell you could try planting again, but there would not be anything guaranteed. If you need something to present to your HOA, U. of A. Extension bulletin 8652 titled OVERSEEDING BERMUDA GRASS will verify the information I've given you, and is available from the Extension at 4341 E. Broadway, Phoenix 85040 for $1.00. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From sophie@farmchina.com Wed Dec 20 02:32:29 2000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:32:29 +0800 From: Sophie Sun sophie@farmchina.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Channel of Organic Products on FarmChina.com To Whom It May Concern: Want to sell your organic products to tremendous China market? FarmChina provides you an efficient and cost-saving marketplace for organic business. Please visit our Organic Products Exchange Channel (www.farmchina.com ) and find more useful free and value-added services. It is worth visiting. (You can do FREE posting of your buy/sell offers and make your own company webpage. It is absolutely FREE.) Please send your enquiry. We are happy to assist you. Kindest Regards, Sophie Sun Channel Manager FarmChina.Inc. 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Email: sophie@farmchina.com Fax:0086-10-65815987 Tel:0086-10-65814212/3/4/5 To unsubscribe, please visit http://eng.farmchina.com/misc/unsubscribe.asp From MTCactiPi@aol.com Wed Dec 20 03:29:35 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:29:35 -0700 (MST) From: MTCactiPi@aol.com MTCactiPi@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page This question concerns the size of a palm to buy. I want to plant a queen palm in my yard in Tucson next spring. When is the best(earliest)time to plant in my area? Most nurserys in my area sell 15 gallon or 24" inch boxed plants. Which is the better one to plant? I am leaning toward the 15 gallon due to easier planting. Should the hole be deeper then the rootball and how much wider? I think I will start diging next week so I have plenty of time to dig as big of a hole as is necessary. Also, I live close to a large wash and on land where they used to grow cotton. I know there is lots of calleche down there! From MTCactiPi@aol.com Wed Dec 20 03:32:18 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:18 -0700 (MST) From: MTCactiPi@aol.com MTCactiPi@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I was reading through some of the old posts and ran accross some concerns on the use of ironite on edible plants. I have used it on citrus and have received good results. Should I continue using it? The bag even suggests using it on citrus and vegies. I don't want future generations growing a third eye or some other genetic deformity. From millero@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 20 06:12:40 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:12:40 -0700 From: olin millero@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Use of Ironite on Edible Plants Ironite is mined from the tailings of copper mines near Bagdad AZ which are rich in iron and are also believed to contain lead and arsenic as byproducts of the refining process.. There has been much discussion in various forums in Usenet and on the Internet as to whether the product contains harmful quantities of arsenic and heavy metals and if uptake by plants in our alkaline soil could be a problem. Apparently our regulatory agencies believe it to be safe because its use is not banned. But many gardeners will not use it on edibles because of the nagging question about its safety. The best course is to peruse the available information and decide for yourself. A good place to begin is at http://www.ewg.org/pub/home/reports/asyousow/fertilizerpr.html and also Ironite's home page at www.ironite.com . Good luck! Olin Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was reading through some of the old posts and ran accross some concerns on the use of ironite on edible plants. I have used it on citrus and have received good results. Should I continue using it? The bag even suggests using it on citrus and vegies. I don't want future generations growing a third eye or some other genetic deformity. From millero@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 20 21:58:24 2000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:58:24 -0700 From: olin millero@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: rock phosphate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: rock phosphate Hello Mr. Miller, You sent this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer to your questions? By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search for rock phosphate. Daniel "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for Alkaline Soil Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net) Thu, 12 Dec 1996 05:54:48 +0000 I would like to hear from mail list readers about their thoughts and experience using phosphate rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil. Bone meal seems to be the most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in our area (Phoenix, AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are also sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to be available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now also more-frequently being recommended as a long-lasting, slow release phosphorus fertilizer. My question: is application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline desert soil appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention that either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have positive effects on plant growth if appled directly to acid soils. But it seems the low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it ineffective in our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an adverse effect by increasing pH? Olin Miller " Hi Daniel - I received the following replies from Dr. Tom Deorge at the U of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County Cooperative Extension: The messages are archived at http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html and at http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700 Olin, In reply to your questions on rock phosphate applications to Arizona soils, I would make the following comments: You are correct in noting that rock phosphate is so insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no value as a source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have too much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an "organic" source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal or high-phosphorus composts or manures should be used. Good luck, Tom Doerge" "Let us not forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline soils. The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral soils and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock phosphate in our area is availability. None of the garden stores carries it. And it is expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a gardener or oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some other locally available source. BYE TOM DEGOMEZ" From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 20 23:07:46 2000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:46 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Palm Tree, What size to buy Usually a 15 gallon tree will be the same size as a 24 inch box in about one year. As you mentioned the 15 gallon is much easier to plant because of its physical size. The planting hole should be only as deep as the height of the root ball, in fact it is preferred that the hole be an inch or two shallower than the root ball. The width of the planting hole should be a minimum of double the width of the root ball, preferred is 3 to 5 times wider. If you suspect caliche under the spot where you dig, after the hole is dug fill it with water, if it has not drained by the next morning you should select another spot or mechanically open up a drain hole. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 20 23:07:47 2000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:47 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Rye grass not looking the best You are not alone in not being happy with the appearance of your rye grass. This season has not been the most favorable for growing rye grass. First we had a very narrow window in which to plant rye grass between the temperatures that were too hot and the temperatures that were too cold. Then the heavy rainfall in the latter part of October could have washed the seed away from some spots as it did on my turf. If you fertilized before the rain, in many areas the rain could have flushed the nutrients below the reach of the grass roots. If you have not fertilized yet with the proper fertilizer, that could be your problem. Your turf should be fertilized two to three weeks after the seedlings emerge, and then monthly. Because of the low soil temperatures now, amonium nitrate is faster acting and much preferred. Check out this website for info on watering turf: http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/WATER/lawnguid.html#LONG Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From millero@worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 21 04:28:20 2000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:28:20 -0700 From: olin millero@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: rock phosphate Dunno. I'm not knowledgeable about pigeons' digestive system but I expect rock grit would pass through unchanged. Adding it probably wouldn't help your soil but wouldn't be harmful either. -Olin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" To: "olin" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: rock phosphate > Olin, > Thanks, I think this answered my concerns also. I was going to have my > pigeons use rock phosphate for grit and, hopefully, result in a > high-phosphate manure for composting. However, I am starting to doubt that > the pigeon's digestive system and then the composting procedure will make > the phosphate soluble for my soil in Mesa, Az. > > What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your posting have an > idea? > Daniel From chexit2@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:17:27 2000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:17:27 -0700 (MST) From: chexit2@aol.com chexit2@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page we have a large mesquite tree. what is the best time to cut back? From floconnell@juno.com Thu Dec 21 19:50:35 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:50:35 -0700 (MST) From: floconnell@juno.com floconnell@juno.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page My palm trees are about 2ft high and they are turning a little brown on the end of the branches, am I giving them to much water or not enough. how often do I have to water them thank you From HRB85373@aol.com Thu Dec 21 20:12:22 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) From: HRB85373@aol.com HRB85373@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Our oranges are quite small this year, about half of normal (Sun City) The first time in the 6 years we have lived here. However the tangelos are very nice in size. Both have received the same watering and fertilizing, etc. Any ideas as to why? From lyshogan@aol.com Thu Dec 21 20:24:09 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:24:09 -0700 (MST) From: lyshogan@aol.com lyshogan@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have a question about poisonous plants. I have heard that oleander and the thevicia tree are poisonous. I have several thevicia (may not be the correct spelling - I believe they are related to oleander and have yellow or apricot trumpted shaped flowers and also pods) trees in my yard and a new puppy who weighs 21 lbs currently. He will eventually grow to about 75 lbs. Can you give me any advice on how to keep my puppy safe from these trees? Is there anything known on the effects on small animals? Will he simply get sick if he eats the pods, leaves or flowers, or is it more serious than that? Thanks very much! From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:17 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:17 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Poisonous plants Oleanders and Thevetia are on the poisonous plant list. As for the effect on your puppy, we are not permitted to address that issue. I suggest that you contact your veterinarian. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:19 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:19 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Mesquite, pruning The mesquite tree grows so fast that it is often necessary to prune it several times a year. It will be dormant or simi dormant for the next month or two and this would be the best time to prune. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:18 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:18 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Palm tree care For information on palm tree care please check out the following websites: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From dmBroek@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 01:07:27 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:07:27 -0700 From: Daniel & Marlene Broek dmBroek@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pigeon droppings plus composting changes rock phosphate/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir, I know that pigeon manure is highly acidic (eats paint off automobiles) = and I'm wondering if you might know if rock phosphate could become = something more soluble for our arid Phoenix soil if it goes through the = digestive tracts of a pigeon and then added to the compost pile. What = might you think? Daniel Olin, Thanks, I think this answered my concerns also. I was going to have my pigeons use rock phosphate for grit and, hopefully, result in a high-phosphate manure for composting. However, I am starting to doubt = that the pigeon's digestive system and then the composting procedure will = make the phosphate soluble for my soil in Mesa, Az. What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your posting = have an idea? Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "olin" To: "Arid_Gardener List" ; "Daniel & = Marlene Broek" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: rock phosphate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM > Subject: rock phosphate > > > Hello Mr. Miller, > > You sent this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer = to your > questions? > By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search for rock = phosphate. > Daniel > > "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for Alkaline Soil > Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net) > Thu, 12 Dec 1996 05:54:48 +0000 > I would like to hear from mail list readers about their thoughts = and > experience using phosphate rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil. Bone > meal seems to be the most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in = our > area (Phoenix, AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are also > sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to be > available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now also more-frequently > being recommended as a long-lasting, slow release phosphorus = fertilizer. > My question: is application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline desert > soil appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil > Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention = that > either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have positive > effects on plant growth if applied directly to acid soils. But it = seems the > low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it = ineffective in > our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an adverse effect by > increasing pH? > Olin Miller " > > Hi Daniel - I received the following replies from Dr. Tom Deorge at = the U > of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County Cooperative > Extension: The messages are archived at > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html > and at > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html > > > "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700 > Olin, > In reply to your questions on rock phosphate applications to = Arizona > soils, > I would make the following comments: You are correct in noting that = rock > phosphate is so insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no value > as a source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have = too > much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an = "organic" > source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal or = high-phosphorus > composts or manures should be used. > Good luck, > Tom Doerge" > > "Let us not forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline > soils. > The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral = soils > and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock phosphate in = our > area is availability. None of the garden stores carries it. And it is > expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a gardener or > oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some other = locally > available source. BYE TOM DEGOMEZ" ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear sir,
I know that pigeon manure is highly acidic (eats = paint off=20 automobiles) and I'm wondering if you might know if rock phosphate could = become=20 something more soluble for our arid Phoenix soil if it goes through the=20 digestive tracts of a pigeon and then added to the compost pile. What = might you=20 think?
 
Daniel
 
Olin,
Thanks, I think this = answered my=20 concerns also. I was going to have my
pigeons use rock phosphate for = grit=20 and, hopefully, result in a
high-phosphate manure for composting. = However, I=20 am starting to doubt that
the pigeon's digestive system and then the=20 composting procedure will make
the phosphate soluble for my soil in = Mesa,=20 Az.

What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your = posting=20 have an
idea?
Daniel

----- Original Message -----
From: = "olin"=20 <millero@worldnet.att.net>
To:=20 "Arid_Gardener List" <arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu>; = "Daniel &=20 Marlene
Broek" <dmBroek@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 December 20, 2000 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: rock phosphate


> = -----=20 Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" = <dmBroek@worldnet.att.net>
> = To:=20 <millero@worldnet.att.net>
> = Sent:=20 Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM
> Subject: rock=20 phosphate
>
>
> Hello Mr. Miller,
>
> You = sent=20 this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer = to
your
>=20 questions?
> By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search = for rock=20 phosphate.
> Daniel
>
> "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for = Alkaline Soil
> Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net)
> = Thu, 12 Dec=20 1996 05:54:48 +0000
>     I would like to hear = from=20 mail list readers about their thoughts and
> experience using = phosphate=20 rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil.
Bone
> meal seems = to be the=20 most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in our
> area = (Phoenix,=20 AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are
also
>=20 sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to = be
>=20 available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now=20 also
more-frequently
> being recommended as a long-lasting, = slow=20 release phosphorus fertilizer.
>     My = question: is=20 application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline
desert
> soil = appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil
> = Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention = that
>=20 either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have = positive
>=20 effects on plant growth if applied directly to acid soils. But it seems=20 the
> low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it=20 ineffective in
> our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an = adverse=20 effect by
> increasing pH?
> Olin Miller <millero@worldnet.att.net>"
>
> Hi=20 Daniel - I received the following replies  from Dr. Tom Deorge at = the=20 U
> of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County=20 Cooperative
> Extension:  The messages are archived = at
>=20 http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html
> and at
> http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html
>
>
> "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700
>=20 Olin,
>     In reply to your questions on rock = phosphate applications to Arizona
> soils,
> I would make = the=20 following comments: You are correct in noting that rock
> = phosphate is so=20 insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no
value
> = as a=20 source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have = too
>=20 much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an=20 "organic"
> source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal = or=20 high-phosphorus
> composts or manures should be used.
> Good = luck,
> Tom Doerge"
>
>     "Let = us not=20 forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline
> = soils.
>=20 The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral=20 soils
> and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock = phosphate=20 in our
> area is availability. None of the garden stores carries = it. And=20 it is
> expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a = gardener=20 or
> oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some = other=20 locally
> available source. BYE TOM=20 DEGOMEZ"
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340-- From millero@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 02:49:04 2000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:49:04 -0700 From: olin millero@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Puppies and Oleander We had a puppy ingest Nerium Oleander many years ago and she was bleeding from both ends when we took her to the vet where she stayed under his care for 3 days.. Ever since, we keep our dogs away from Nerium Oleander. But our dogs have never eaten the Yellow Oleander (Thevetia) although it is also poisonous. -Olin From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:18:40 2000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:18:40 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Mesquite [Prosopis] I generally prune my mesquites to shape in late February, early March, just as they begin to break dormancy. I have the two native mesquites, the smaller Screwbean and Arizona/Velvet mesquites. Both of these will sucker very heavily if you prune too much. My intention, when they were small, was to shape the structure. Now I am thinning the canopy a bit, particularly against prevailing wind. I sometimes have to prune the AZ if there has been alot of summer water and resulting growth, but this is to maintain form and ability to maneuver around it. This has been less of an issue with the screwbean, but because of its location near a walk and patio, it has needed a trim to keep the area 'safe' for pedestrians. If you feel that the tree goes wild in the summer and you have to prune too much, then you are watering too much. These natives need very little water, so save yourself the scratched arms and a trip to the landfill by being more judicious with this particular 'fertilizer'! Most of us will water only once or twice in the summer our native trees, once established. Just like they get from monsoon weather in the wild. The Ironwood Press has a wonderful book in the Johnson's Guide to Gardening series of Plants for the Arid West called Pruning, Planting and Care [by Eric Johnson]. It suggests February is the time to prune [again, I prefer to see what my weather is like] in all but one case, that of the Texas Honey mesquite, for which January is recommended. I mention this book because each mesquite is individually discussed, and you did not mention your specific variety. See if your library has a copy. Linda Guy Master Gardener chexit2@aol.com wrote: > we have a large mesquite tree. what is the best time to cut back? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:28:34 2000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:28:34 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palms You've already received excellent advise from one of my colleagues in answer to your original question. The purpose of my little ditty is to let you know that queen palms are very elegant and add that tropical 'je ne sais quoi' to a yard, but they are not the most suitable palm for our climate and can be fussy unless well cared for. Hot dry winds are a particular problem. I am speaking both from experience and input from our ag agents and a former DBG employee. You might like to peruse our publication on palm trees, which includes the queenies and others, in the publications section of our website. I can't create a link for you within the text of this message because our server appears to be down at this time. I think that it is AZ 1021, and you would find in under Maricopa County publications, in the ornamentals section. There is a hyperlink there to the pub itself. Linda Guy Master Gardener MTCactiPi@aol.com wrote: > This question concerns the size of a palm to buy. I want to plant a queen palm in my yard in Tucson next spring. When is the best(earliest)time to plant in my area? Most nurserys in my area sell 15 gallon or 24" inch boxed plants. Which is the better one to plant? I am leaning toward the 15 gallon due to easier planting. Should the hole be deeper then the rootball and how much wider? I think I will start diging next week so I have plenty of time to dig as big of a hole as is necessary. Also, I live close to a large wash and on land where they used to grow cotton. I know there is lots of calleche down there! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:34:41 2000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:34:41 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] High Desert Plants Judy Mielke's book Native Plants for SW Landscapes contains specific references to elevation. Also, have you investigated what Boyce Thompson might have? Being outside of Superior, their climate is a bit more elevated than in Phoenix. Linda Guy Master Gardener oegibson@west.raytheon.com wrote: > I live at 4000' (Arivaca)Southwest of Green Valley AZ. I am looking for a plant source much like the UNLV site that has high desert plants. > Thanks > Owen Gibson > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:44:02 2000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:44:02 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Subterranean Clover Someone wrote directly to me that a Dave Kopec at the UA would be the person for you to contact. Did you already get this lead? Linda Guy Master Gardener mfleming@thephxzoo.com wrote: > Can anyone tell me if subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum) is grown in Arizona and under what conditions? > We may use it inside our zoo exhibits. > It is generaly know as a cover crop or lawn alternative. > Thanks, > Sincerely, > Mark Fleming > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Beverlyfz@aol.com Sun Dec 24 17:16:53 2000 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:16:53 EST From: Beverlyfz@aol.com Beverlyfz@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wild Mesquite Boy - you hit the nail on the head there! My mesquite tree got a toe hold in my greenhouse raised beds and you should see how wild "wild" really is! It is now 14 feet across and the canopy is over the top. The roots are bountiful, even going under the bricks in my walkway. It was a pretty small tree then suddenly it went wild. I didn't know what happened for a little while until I wondered where all those tough roots were coming from. DUH!! I hate to cut it down, I only have a couple of trees here - it is inevitable though. Beverly From sophie@farmchina.com Tue Dec 26 09:26:41 2000 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:26:41 +0800 From: Sophie Sun sophie@farmchina.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Membership Benefits Updated Dear Sir or Madam, Wish you a Happy New Year! Thank you for your support. Farmchina.com is trying very best to provide more quality services at very competitive price. We are pleased to announce that we have just updated our membership benefit information on our website, and added very valuable benefit, such as ¡° Chinese company database ¡±; ¡° Finding China distributors ¡±. The information is now clearly outlined in a table that is linked to a short explanation for each member benefit, allowing you to conveniently review our services. 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B From gchimel@imap4.asu.edu Tue Dec 26 17:10:23 2000 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:10:23 -0700 (MST) From: gchimel@imap4.asu.edu gchimel@imap4.asu.edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) A Communist plot! On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 Beverlyfz@aol.com wrote: > What is this Farmchina? Did you sell our list? B > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From sjbass@uswest.net Tue Dec 26 22:16:34 2000 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:16:34 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Farmchina message Beverly - I don't know how this got through without our approval first. I'll look into it, Meantime, thanks for the heads up and just delete it. Sue Bass List serve manager Beverlyfz@aol.com wrote: > What is this Farmchina? Did you sell our list? B > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Tue Dec 26 23:26:44 2000 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:26:44 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Plants for Maricopa County Sandi: I didn't she that you had received a response to your question. If you did, please excuse the repeat. I'd like to direct you to the Maricopa County Home Horticulture page at: http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/maricopa/garden/ At this site, you will find a wealth of information regarding gardening here in the low desert. If you click on the "publications" option, then choose "Maricopa County" you will find a list of publications, some of which you can view online (this will be highlighted) and others that you can order from the Cooperative Extension office. All information regarding ordering is on this page. Please browse around our web site. We have a Timely Tips sections which tells you what needs to be done and what can be planted each month of the year. The "Recommended Reading" section has a good list of books on plants suitable to our area. The section entitled "Plants" will take you to a page where you can view information on plants for Maricopa County Alphabetically by botanical name or common name. Photographs of the plants are included. This should get you started on your research. Sue Bass Master Gardener skiltech@chorus.net wrote: > I am moving to Phoenix and was wondering what type of plants, flowers and shurbs are good for this area. Any information would be of great help, since I am from the MidWest and I am sure plants are different in Arizona. > > Thanks for you help > Sandi > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From jimcn@gardener.com Wed Dec 27 13:05:57 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:05:57 -0700 (MST) From: jimcn@gardener.com jimcn@gardener.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Hi - I'm a Master Gardener in the Valley. How can I email my hours to the extension Or is it just fax only? Thanks. From User790795@aol.com Wed Dec 27 13:50:07 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:50:07 -0700 (MST) From: User790795@aol.com User790795@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Sir: Our mesquite trees look sick. Very few leaves. We have not fed them. what do they require. We have a watering sytem on them. Thank you. Betty C. Wilmot P.S. We live at Mt Brook in Gold Canyon in from of the mountains. Does this have any effect? From mbuksas@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 27 16:41:16 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:41:16 -0700 (MST) From: mbuksas@worldnet.att.net mbuksas@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I want to plant two plum trees and an apricot tree, from a publication dated May 1986 the plum varieties listed are Santa Rosa, Beauty and Laroda. Is there a more recent list? I have room for two plum trees so I can get good pollination but which two should I plant to get flowers at the same time (Is that the key to good poolination?)? Where can I purchase the varieties (I live in Gilbert)? Is there a new list of Apricot varieties? Which one would be the best in a home garden? Would I also need two apricot trees? Where do I find the best varieties? Thanks for your help. From Bert.Bender@asu.edu Wed Dec 27 17:58:06 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:58:06 -0700 (MST) From: Bert.Bender@asu.edu Bert.Bender@asu.edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Two questions: 1. Sick looking Mondel Pine. My 20-yr old pine (originally a living Christmas tree in a pot) is about 40 ft. tall, but its needles are looking droopy, and three lower limbs have recently suddenly died. Whata should I do? 2. Sick looking grapefruit tree. My 20 year old pink grapefruit looks very thin and the fruit this year was small, though rather plentiful. I think I shocked it last spring by fertilizing it before giving it a good soaking. We have been giving it regualr deep waterings for the past few months. There are some new leaves but they look a little pale and yellow. What's up? Thanks for your time! Bert Bender From Kingsley28@home.com Wed Dec 27 18:15:42 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:15:42 -0700 (MST) From: Kingsley28@home.com Kingsley28@home.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page How and when is the best time to graft citrus trees? From tami.rawlings@juno.com Wed Dec 27 18:26:48 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:26:48 -0700 (MST) From: tami.rawlings@juno.com tami.rawlings@juno.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I'd like to know what time of year is best to prune a fountain grass plant. I also need to find out what is the best method to prune it. Is this information available on this website? I've viewed several links and not been able to find this out yet. From tami.rawlings@juno.com Wed Dec 27 18:26:52 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:26:52 -0700 (MST) From: tami.rawlings@juno.com tami.rawlings@juno.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I'd like to know what time of year is best to prune a fountain grass plant. I also need to find out what is the best method to prune it. Is this information available on this website? I've viewed several links and not been able to find this out yet. From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:04:55 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:04:55 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Fountain Grass Fountain grass (Pennisetum) can be cut back pretty severely in the winter. We cut ours back just before Thanksgiving and it is already growing new plumes and looking less scraggly. Here is a page I located with information on fountain grass http://www.plantadviser.com/plants/pennseta.shtml Sue Bass Master Gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:12:59 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:12:59 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Budding Citrus Trees Here is a publication on budding citrus that you can view on line: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1146.pdf Good luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Kingsley28@home.com wrote: > How and when is the best time to graft citrus trees? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:33:32 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:32 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mesquite losing leaves Betty: Most mesquites, with the exception of the Argentine Mesquite, are deciduous, losing their leaves until after the risk of frost has past. The Arizona Municipal Water Users Association recommends watering desert-adapted trees once every 30-60 days in the winter. Mesquites require very little care after their first year in the ground and many people believe it best to stop watering them altogether after their first year as they are desert trees and adapted to live on what little water the desert provides them. Here is a link to previous answer to a question on Mesquite care by fellow Master Gardener Linda Guy. It contains lots of good "food for thought" on caring for Mesquites, including information from Mary Irish, formerly of the Desert Botanical Garden. http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-March/003388.html Sue Bass Master Gardener User790795@aol.com wrote: > Sir: Our mesquite trees look sick. Very few leaves. We have not fed them. what do they require. We have a watering sytem on them. Thank you. Betty C. Wilmot P.S. We live at Mt Brook in Gold Canyon in from of the mountains. Does this have any effect? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From jns804@qwest.net Wed Dec 27 22:36:36 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:36:36 -0700 (MST) From: jns804@qwest.net jns804@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page When should orange trees be fertilized? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 27 23:29:42 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:29:42 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Sick trees Bert, We've had a long hot summer and inadequate irrigation can cause lots of problems for your trees and plants. It is normal for the bottom branches to die on mature pines. Pine blight often caused by radical weather changes can make the pine look sickly, and since it is physiological will not be life threatning provided the tree is getting proper care. You didn't give enough specifics about watering your citrus tree such as how long between waterings, method of watering and how much water was applied in summer. Did you fertilize more than once and how much ? It is normal for citrus leaves to yellow in the winter. It is also normal for citrus to have alternate good and bad years. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From tunenmel@aol.com Wed Dec 27 23:40:50 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:40:50 -0700 (MST) From: tunenmel@aol.com tunenmel@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have a variety of shrubs and trees and need to know what type of pruning is needed and when. I have a Chinese evergreen elm, sweet acacia and Brazillian pepper tree. I also have Texas sage and dwarf oleander. What care do they need this time of year? Any advice is appreciated.I live in Chandler. From b.graham2@home.com Thu Dec 28 04:18:46 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:18:46 -0700 (MST) From: b.graham2@home.com b.graham2@home.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page When is the best time to prune/shape citrus trees ? I have lemon,orange and grapefruit trees(7 in all). They are now bearing lots of fruit and this does not seem to be a good time ! When is ? Also (if I'm allowed another Q ), we have a large(20-25')very bushy grapefruit tree (drip line about 15' in diameter ) that is lucky to give us 2 or 3 small fruit. I fertilize 3 times a year,etc. Problems ? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 15:30:56 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:30:56 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fertilizing Citrus Citrus should be fertilized three times a year beginning in February or March, then April or May and finally in July or August. Sue Bass Master Gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 28 16:11:47 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:11:47 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Reference Material-Various Ornamentals The easiest and very comprehensive source of information for these ornamentals would be the Sunset Western Garden Book, carried in virtually every public library. Linda Guy Master Gardener amandaset@aol.com wrote: > If you have any information you could send to me regarding the following plants: > Poverty bush > Mexican Heather > Pink Verbena > Royal Robe bush > Salvia greggi sage > Thank you, Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From thulsey@phelpsdodge.com Thu Dec 28 16:33:38 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:33:38 -0700 (MST) From: thulsey@phelpsdodge.com thulsey@phelpsdodge.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page We are having a home built currently in Peoria. The lot that we have is backed up to a busy street, and I am looking for sound barrier options. I would like to have trees with leaves, not the needle type. Our yard is not going to be too big, and we are planning on a pool. I would like to incorporate a 2 to 3 fruit trees into the barrier. From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 17:29:00 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:29:00 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] [Fwd: [Fwd: e-mailing time cards]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding this to the list in case any other MG's out there need to know to whom they should e-mail volunteer hours. Sue Bass --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A4B74D1.FF55513F@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:13:53 -0700 From: Sue Bass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimcn@gardener.com Subject: [Fwd: e-mailing time cards] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding the response I received from Kathleen Peterson about e-mailing time cards. Sue Bass --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: sjbass@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 15944 invoked by uid 0); 28 Dec 2000 17:10:10 -0000 Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 17:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90744 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0000 Received: from mail.mailstart.com (207.231.76.67) by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0000 Received: from silver [207.231.76.50] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3EF689400F2; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:10:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:10:09 -0800 Message-Id: <281200363.33008@24.177.222.15> From: kpetersn@ag.arizona.edu To: sjbass@uswest.net Subject: RE: e-mailing time cards Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Sue, You can e-mail them to me. Just put the date, activity, code (if you know it) and number of hours. I will print out the e-mails and put them in the hours box when I get them. Happy holidays! Kathleen --- Original Message --- Sue Bass Wrote on Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:38:52 -0700 ------------------ Hello Kathleen! Happy holidays! a question came in on how to e-mail MG time cards in. I don't have an answer for that. Is there someone in particular our time is e-mailed to? Thanks! Sue ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316-- --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B-- From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 17:36:47 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:36:47 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Landscape Choices for Backyard with Pool Planned I'd like to direct you to our list of publications. Go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Under Ornamentals you will find many publications that will be helpful to you in choosing plant material for your backyard, including trees. The publications that are underlined are viewable on line. Just click on the title and you will see the PDF file. Of particular interest to you may be the publication entitled, "Plants for Poolside Landscapes". It is also viewable online. Good Luck! Sue Bass thulsey@phelpsdodge.com wrote: > We are having a home built currently in Peoria. The lot that we have is backed up to a busy street, and I am looking for sound barrier options. I would like to have trees with leaves, not the needle type. Our yard is not going to be too big, and we are planning on a pool. I would like to incorporate a 2 to 3 fruit trees into the barrier. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From fmc@phoenixdsl.com Thu Dec 28 19:10:31 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:10:31 -0700 (MST) From: fmc@phoenixdsl.com fmc@phoenixdsl.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 20:01:30 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:01:30 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting iris and other bulbs It is too late to plan iris in the ground right now but they can be planted in containers. I'd like to direct you to a response to a similar question in our archives, it has information I think you will find useful. To view it please go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/2347.html Other bulb type plants that can be planted now are canna, crinum, gladiolus can be planted from October 15-December 30, Tulips - Nov thru Dec. There is an older publication put out by the Cooperative Extension called Bulbs for Southern Arizona. It is publication Q382. You can contact the Extension office to see if it is still available or you can visit your local library branch and ask the librarian for the binder 635 in general reference. The name of the binder is Horticulture Publications I believe. You should be able to make a copy of there. It should include a bulb-planting outline giving the planting dates and bloom times for bulbs. Good Luck, Sue Bass fmc@phoenixdsl.com wrote: > CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Hymeto@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 20:24:12 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:24:12 -0700 (MST) From: Hymeto@yahoo.com Hymeto@yahoo.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Is there any place where Milk Weed seeds can be purchased in Arizona? Will/does Milk weed grow in Arizona? We will be planting a Butterfly Bush this year and we will need to also plant a host plant near by. Any suggestions other than Milk weed? Thank you From cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu Thu Dec 28 20:45:10 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 -0700 (MST) From: cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I work in the Graham County office and one of the master gardeners asked what is a Master Gardener volunteer profile form? can you help me with this question? Phone# 520-428-2611 FAx# 520-428-7023 Thanks Cindy From hrivera@phxhs.k12.az.us Thu Dec 28 21:27:54 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:27:54 -0700 (MST) From: hrivera@phxhs.k12.az.us hrivera@phxhs.k12.az.us Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I've read about AMAZOY Zoysia Grass. They state that this grass makes grass seed obsolete. Is this true? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 21:48:34 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:48:34 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Desert Milkweed and other butterfly plants Desert Milkweed is native to our area. A few places that come to mind that might have the plants are The Desert Botanical Garden or Boyce Thompson Arboretum. Both have a plant shop and they also will be having their next big plant sales in the spring. You may want to call around to some of the other nurseries also. A good source of information on plants that attract butterflies, including information on which plants are for butterfly larvae and which plants are for adult butterflies, is the Sunset Western Garden book. It is carried by most nurseries and home center stores such as Home Depot. It should also be available at your local library branch. The information can be found on pages 82-85 in the 40th anniversary edition. A few examples of plants in the annuals, perennials and grasses category that would provide food for butterfly larvae are hollyhocks, asters, asclepias (milkweeds), common fennel, geum, sunflower and penstemon to name a few. Sue Bass Master Gardener Hymeto@yahoo.com wrote: > Is there any place where Milk Weed seeds can be purchased in Arizona? Will/does Milk weed grow in Arizona? We will be planting a Butterfly Bush this year and we will need to also plant a host plant near by. Any suggestions other than Milk weed? Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 21:49:51 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:49:51 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Master Gardener Volunteer Profile Form This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BE59D829E5AC81FA07563201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen, can you answer this question? Thanks! Sue --------------BE59D829E5AC81FA07563201 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: sjbass@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 85879 invoked by uid 0); 28 Dec 2000 20:46:19 -0000 Received: from mail8.uswest.net (204.147.80.26) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:46:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 99329 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 20:46:17 -0000 Received: from ag.arizona.edu (128.196.42.70) by mail8.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:46:17 -0000 Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06968; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ag.arizona.edu (Ag.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.70]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06867 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 -0700 (MST) Errors-To: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012282045.NAA06867@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From: cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu Sender: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Originating-URL: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/question.htm Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page X-BeenThere: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Gardening and Landscaping in Dry Climates X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 I work in the Graham County office and one of the master gardeners asked what is a Master Gardener volunteer profile form? can you help me with this question? Phone# 520-428-2611 FAx# 520-428-7023 Thanks Cindy _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener --------------BE59D829E5AC81FA07563201-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 28 22:43:49 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:43:49 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Tree care The Master Gardener Manual has a chapter titled Arborculture which has excellent info on care and pruning of trees and available on line at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/pruning.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 28 22:43:47 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:43:47 EST From: RodMcQ6@aol.com RodMcQ6@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Pruning citrus Time to prune citrus is after the danger of frost is past. Prune only to remove dead wood and to keep with in bounds, bearing in mind that you should not remove more than 15% at one time. With each cut made on any tree or plant the food manufacturing capabilities are reduced. The first thing that I would check to find out why the mature citrus is not bearing fruit is to make sure that the tree is getting adequate irrigation. U of A Cooperative Extension bulletin MC 17 shows that a 15 foot diameter Grapefruit tree in July and August will require approximately 25 gallons a day, if watered once a week that would be 175 gallons of water. There are a number of possibilities, I would suggest that you obtain from the U of A Cooperative Extension, 4341 E Broadway, Phoenix 85040 bulletin 8464, CITRUS TREES IN THE HOME GARDEN AVAILABLE FOR $1.00. This bulletin describes care of citrus and disease possibilities. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From nealkeilitz@msn.com Fri Dec 29 03:12:41 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:12:41 -0700 (MST) From: nealkeilitz@msn.com nealkeilitz@msn.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page how do you propagate oleander? From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 29 03:35:55 2000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:35:55 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Propagating Oleander You can propagate oleander from cuttings. You can visit the following page in the on-line Master Gardener Manual for information on how to accomplish this. Go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html Sue Bass Master Gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 29 23:07:37 2000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:07:37 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting iris and other bulbs Hi Alan! I was just going by the guidelines set by the University of Arizona in the publication on bulbs. I don't know why they couldn't be planted now. Maybe someone else on the list can comment on whether there is a risk in planting them now? Any of you MG's out there care to comment? Sue Alan Zelhart wrote: > Sue, > > I've planted Iris bulbs this time of year, which are discounted at home > depot, and have had no problem with them coming up, or blooming...although I > think I have had a couple that did not bloom till the 2nd year. Why is it > they cannot be planted this time of year. I'm curious :) > > Alan > > Sue Bass wrote: > > > It is too late to plan iris in the ground right now but they can be > > planted in containers. I'd like to direct you to a response to a > > similar question in our archives, it has information I think you will > > find useful. To view it please go to: > > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/2347.html > > > > Other bulb type plants that can be planted now are canna, crinum, > > gladiolus can be planted from October 15-December 30, Tulips - Nov thru > > Dec. > > > > There is an older publication put out by the Cooperative Extension > > called Bulbs for Southern Arizona. It is publication Q382. You can > > contact the Extension office to see if it is still available or you can > > visit your local library branch and ask the librarian for the binder 635 > > in general reference. The name of the binder is Horticulture > > Publications I believe. You should be able to make a copy of there. It > > should include a bulb-planting outline giving the planting dates and > > bloom times for bulbs. > > > > Good Luck, > > Sue Bass > > > > fmc@phoenixdsl.com wrote: > > > > > CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From millero@worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 30 02:22:41 2000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:22:41 -0700 From: olin millero@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting iris and other bulbs According to Bert Konzal, the bulb expert in our garden club, bulbs planted now will probably bloom but the flower will appear a bit late and be short-lived because the hot weather will burn the late blooms. With late planting, afternoon shade will help extend the life of the late blooms. Follow his instructions for setting out amaryllis after Christmas (to be in our Jan 2001 newsletter): "When planting, be sure to add 3 to 4 inches of compost or other organic matter to the soil to improve drainage and add bonemeal or super phosphate to enrich the soil. Set the bulb and its roots into the soil, so that the upper half of the bulb will be above the soil surface. Firm the soil around the bulb, water well. Keep the soil moist and fertilize to encourage leaf growth. When the leaves turn yellow in September, withhold the water so the soil will dry out. Decision time. If you wish you can pot the bulb as outlined above [in the article] or you can leave the bulb in the ground and it will bloom in the Spring in your garden. Do not water too often, keep soil moist but not wet. Too much water will rot the roots. Fertilize to encourage leaf growth." Olin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Bass" > Hi Alan! > I was just going by the guidelines set by the University of Arizona in the > publication on bulbs. > I don't know why they couldn't be planted now. > Maybe someone else on the list can comment on whether there is a risk in > planting them now? > Any of you MG's out there care to comment? > Sue > > Alan Zelhart wrote: > > > Sue, > > > > I've planted Iris bulbs this time of year, which are discounted at home > > depot, and have had no problem with them coming up, or blooming...although I > > think I have had a couple that did not bloom till the 2nd year. Why is it > > they cannot be planted this time of year. I'm curious :) > > > > Alan > > > > Sue Bass wrote: > > > > > It is too late to plan iris in the ground right now but they can be > > > planted in containers. I'd like to direct you to a response to a > > > similar question in our archives, it has information I think you will > > > find useful. To view it please go to: > > > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/2347.html > > > > > > Other bulb type plants that can be planted now are canna, crinum, > > > gladiolus can be planted from October 15-December 30, Tulips - Nov thru > > > Dec. > > > > > > There is an older publication put out by the Cooperative Extension > > > called Bulbs for Southern Arizona. It is publication Q382. You can > > > contact the Extension office to see if it is still available or you can > > > visit your local library branch and ask the librarian for the binder 635 > > > in general reference. The name of the binder is Horticulture > > > Publications I believe. You should be able to make a copy of there. It > > > should include a bulb-planting outline giving the planting dates and > > > bloom times for bulbs. > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Sue Bass > > > > > > fmc@phoenixdsl.com wrote: > > > > > > > CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From MTCactiPi@aol.com Sat Dec 30 07:01:34 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:01:34 -0700 (MST) From: MTCactiPi@aol.com MTCactiPi@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I live in Tucson and want to plant some tropical hibiscus bushes next spring. Can these bushes take full sun during the summer monthes? Also, how often must an established plant be watered? Are there any varieties that have done well in Arizona? Any help would be appreciated! From umiller@azdps.com Sat Dec 30 13:15:55 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:15:55 -0700 From: Ursula Miller umiller@azdps.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Hibiscus I live in Peoria and have an adult hibiscus up against my garage where it gets full afternoon sun and am growing new ones in other areas of the property, too, as well as in pots on the patio. All are they're doing well. I've found that these plants are very happy out here. I have all different kinds and varieties. They like a fair amount of water. In the summer I water them every other morning for about 1-1/2 hours on a dripper. In the winter I cut back on the watering a lot. They like acidic soil so you have to give them a shot of Miracid every once in a while when the leaves begin to yellow. You can go to this site and type in hibiscus and see other discussions on the plant http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/ Ursula Miller -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of MTCactiPi@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:02 AM To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I live in Tucson and want to plant some tropical hibiscus bushes next spring. Can these bushes take full sun during the summer monthes? Also, how often must an established plant be watered? Are there any varieties that have done well in Arizona? Any help would be appreciated! _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 22:56:48 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:56:48 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palms/Hibiscus Wow, what a mess I have in my inbasket. Can't turn my back for this long! Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. By now you've probably read all about your queen palms in our publication. http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf You know that they are susceptible to high or hot winds, chlorosis, manganese deficiencies, nematodes, mites, and various rots. But the publication will go along way to helping you keep your specimen healthy. It's also cold sensitive and recommended below 2500 feet. Perhaps that's why your neighbor has such success with his, the reflective heat helps in the winter. Talk to him about what works so well in his yard. Most nurseries carry fertilizers specially formulated for palm tree needs. As to your more recent hibiscus query, some fun websites might be http://www.hiddenvalleyhibiscus.com/pages/color.htm http://www.hiddenvalleyhibiscus.com/pages/feeding.htm Linda Guy MTCactiPi@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for your advice. I am fairly new to Arizona and am still learning > about all the new plants-I am a Chicago native. My neighbor has a beautifull > queen in his back yard. Its huge! And it is in an area that receives > reflective heat off of a south wall and heat from flagstone patio-barbaric in > the summer. Our weather in Tucson is slightly milder then yours-more rain > and cooler summer temps. Maybee that is why they are more successful down > here. How fast have you experienced them grow? It seems like his was > consistantly pushing up new growth. Well have a great holiday-enjoy our > great weather! From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 23:20:52 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:20:52 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Have you seen these? The plant you described could indeed be a variety of cassia or perhaps brittlebush. There is a plant guide in locally-based eLandscape http://www.elandscape.com/lvl/index.html where you can review pictures and decide for yourself! Linda Jdymndol@aol.com wrote: > Hi Linda > You were nice enough to write me about my palo verde "pup" which was > transplanted. (It still has a green trunk and brown branches, no change) I > have been trying to find out what type of plant I have seeing and the > nurseries can only "guess" that it is a type of cassia. These "shrubs" appear > to be perfectly round and very dense. At this time of year they look like > yellow pompoms. They are quite small but I have seen them as older plants > where they look like multiple "bunches" The flowers are just now beginning to > fade alittle. They are used a lot in median strips and if you are familiar > the property Winfield they are planted everywhere there. They must be slow > growing as I see so many small ones (1x1 foot) Do you have any idea of what > these might be ? I thought they would be great in our yard. > Also I have a large trumpet vine and it's leaves are turning yellow. Too much > water or too little? As always thanks for your time. Judi Diamond From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 23:24:57 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:24:57 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Orange Seedling/Oregano I'm no good on climate in Germany, but if I had to take a stab, I'd say that both plants which thrive in heat, succumbed to a colder locale than they prefer. The oregano probably showed its signs of restoration in summer, no? The temporary loss could have been its cold-sensitivity. I'd say that the orange would probably be suffering similarly. We have to watch for damage here in the desert where our daytime temps reach 70F in the winter! Just for fun, you can look through our publications, but remember, they're geared for a low elevation desert. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#Citrus Linda Guy Master Gardener Phoenix, Arizona, USA arne@citde.net wrote: > I brought a calamondin orange seedling from Florida to Germany. > It was packed in a sealed bag to supposedly withstand traveling. > > When I unpacked it several leaves had browned and fallen off and > I put it in a large pot with regular potting soil. I made a hole > in the potting soil, sprinkled it with "rooting compound", a powder > made from seaweed that is supposedly good for root growth and > covered it up. Then I watered the plant from the top as was > described in the instructions. > > In the following days the branches browned further from the top > down. The instructions said to water again when the top soil got > completely dry which was after about a week. I watered again. > > Now another week later everything is brown (it was dark green > before). Is the plant dead or is there any likelihood that > something is still alive? What should I do? > > I have had an oregano plant that although completely brown > on top came out again after several months. > > Thank you for any help you can provide, > -- > Arne Ludwig > Hamburg, Germany > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 23:28:29 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:28:29 -0700 From: Linda Guy lindaguy@qwest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Transplanting Med Fan Palm Pups Palms do best when planted in warm weather, so you'll need to wait until about second quarter 2001. Check out our palm publication at http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf The first 7-8 pages discuss planting, care, pruning, etc. Your palm is discussed on p. 13. Linda Guy Master Gardener RAYCOOL@ATT.NET wrote: > can & If I can how do I transplant Mediterranean Fan Palm off-shoots (babies) > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Bdavis1699@aol.com Sun Dec 31 19:44:32 2000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:44:32 -0700 (MST) From: Bdavis1699@aol.com Bdavis1699@aol.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Do gophers eat rosebushes. I just bought three rosebushes and I dont know if the gophers will eat them or what I can do to prevent it. We have a lot of gophers where I live and I dont want to plant them in the ground if they will eat them. Do marigolds help with this? From prshoup@home.com Sun Dec 31 20:11:00 2000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:11:00 -0700 (MST) From: prshoup@home.com prshoup@home.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page What are the best kind(s) of tomato plants to plant in Phoenix? From sjbass@uswest.net Sun Dec 31 20:46:45 2000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:46:45 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tomato Varieties I'd like to refer you to an earlier response by Master Gardener Linda Guy to a similar question in our archives. Please visit: http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-February/003181.html Sue Bass Master Gardener prshoup@home.com wrote: > What are the best kind(s) of tomato plants to plant in Phoenix? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From mwinaz@home.com Sun Dec 31 21:11:27 2000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) From: mwinaz@home.com mwinaz@home.com Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I have two Agave's. one of them has already shot up a tall stalk and the other one kind of turned black in the center and looks like it's dying. the other one with the tall stalk even looks like it's about to bloom. I think I did everything exactly the same when transplanting. What went wrong. Thank you for your time. Mark Worthington From sjbass@uswest.net Sun Dec 31 21:19:38 2000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:19:38 -0700 From: Sue Bass sjbass@uswest.net Subject: [Arid_gardener] Gophers We have a publication called "The Pocket Gopher in Arizona", publication #Q403. You can find it at most library branches. It is in binder 635 General Reference and the title of the binder is Horticulture Publications. You can also order it from the Cooperative Extension. To view information on ordering publications, go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm According to this publication, gophers prefer tubers, bulbs, and the roots of weeds and shrubs. There is no mention of marigolds deterring them. The publication does state that the "gopher plant" (Euphorbia lathyris) is suspected of being toxic to gophers. It further states that it grows in Sonoita, Santa Cruz County, (where it was introduced to repel rodents in an orchard), and in the Tucson area of Pima County. It is not a proven method of control, however. If you are having a problem with gophers on your property, you might try a method that has been successful for a fellow Master Gardener. He uses highway flares. You can view his response to a question on how to control gophers at: http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/4117.html You can also view other gopher remedies in our archives by typing "Gophers" in the subject line. Sue Bass Master Gardener http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-February/003181.html Bdavis1699@aol.com wrote: > Do gophers eat rosebushes. I just bought three rosebushes and I dont know if the gophers will eat them or what I can do to prevent it. We have a lot of gophers where I live and I dont want to plant them in the ground if they will eat them. Do marigolds help with this? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 1 15:49:12 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:49:12 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Planting rye grass Message-ID: <2d.44a4b95.27592278@aol.com> The window for planting rye grass is quite narrow, usually from Oct 15 to Nov 15. This year it was even narrower because of the early cold weather. The soil temperature needs to be at least 63 degrees F in order for the seed to sprout. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From mbuksas@worldnet.at.net Fri Dec 1 16:50:38 2000 From: mbuksas@worldnet.at.net (mbuksas@worldnet.at.net) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:50:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012011650.JAA27498@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I see Elderica and Aleppo pine trees in 5 gal pots for sale right now. Are these pines suitable for growing in the Phoenix area? Is one better that the other? Can they be kept as Christmas trees indoors - if they can be inside the house with decorations, for how long? When should they be planted in the ground? Thanks for your help. From bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Fri Dec 1 20:46:39 2000 From: bmaynard@woodrodgers.com (bmaynard@woodrodgers.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... thank you for your help bill From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 1 22:21:28 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:21:28 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Pine trees that do well in the low desert Message-ID: <9b.d8087e2.27597e68@aol.com> Hi Mary, both the Aleppo and the Elderica pine do well in the low desert in fact most of the pines that you see around the valley are one or the other. They will do fine inside for Christmas, just be sure that they have adequate water. As soon as the holidays are over will be a good time to plant the tree. As a landscape maintenance supervisor for a church in Mesa, I have sucessfully planted several pines that have been donated after Christmas. My preferance of the two trees is the Elderica because its shape is more pyramidal than the Alleppo. Enjoy your holidays. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From saz621@primenet.com Fri Dec 1 22:37:41 2000 From: saz621@primenet.com (Mary Irish) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:37:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: pines References: <200012011650.JAA27498@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A282832.4DE31D10@primenet.com> Both pines are very suitable for growing outdoors here, they are the two most common pines in the area. But beward, they get big, very big. At maturity Aleppo will be about 50 ft tall and spread about that much, Eldarica isn't much smaller but not quite as wide. If you want it for a Christmas tree it will be fine in the house for about 10 days. Be sure to keep it very well watered and with as much light as you can manage. You can plant them anytime you like during the cool weather. Mary Irish mbuksas@worldnet.at.net wrote: > I see Elderica and Aleppo pine trees in 5 gal pots for sale right now. Are these pines suitable for growing in the Phoenix area? Is one better that the other? Can they be kept as Christmas trees indoors - if they can be inside the house with decorations, for how long? When should they be planted in the ground? Thanks for your help. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From pleshowitz@hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:18:40 2000 From: pleshowitz@hotmail.com (pleshowitz@hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:18:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012012318.QAA02795@Ag.Arizona.Edu> My texas rangers seem to be distressed with the majority of the leaves turning yellow. The only leaves having a greenish/gray color are at the topmost portion of each branch. We have a drip irrigation system and water each plant for two hours every five days. Thanks for any help you can provide From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Dec 2 21:09:32 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:09:32 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Yellow leaves on Texas Ranger Message-ID: <90.cdd9bef.275abf0c@aol.com> The Texas Ranger is quite drought tolerant and does not require a lot of water. The yellow leaves are caused by overwatering. This time of year watering once every three to four weeks is adequate. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Dec 2 21:53:46 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:53:46 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Leaf drop on Ficus tree Message-ID: If your tree is a Ficus benjamina it is prone to periodic leaf drop and especially with changes in weather conditions such as we have had recently. The Ficus nitida could also have some leaf drop with radical temperature changes. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From cmcalmond@home.com Sun Dec 3 21:11:11 2000 From: cmcalmond@home.com (cmcalmond@home.com) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:11:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012032111.OAA17048@Ag.Arizona.Edu> my queen palm stems are bending straigt down when they come out the top. From SorensenM@aol.com Mon Dec 4 04:21:49 2000 From: SorensenM@aol.com (SorensenM@aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:21:49 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Remove me from the mailing list Message-ID: <9b.d989e7b.275c75dd@aol.com> From gmoondoggie@uswest.net Mon Dec 4 15:42:11 2000 From: gmoondoggie@uswest.net (gmoondoggie@uswest.net) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:42:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012041542.IAA27054@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I just planted a 24" box Guava tree what care to you suggest. I live in south Scottsdale. Thank you! From sjbass@uswest.net Mon Dec 4 17:04:40 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Poinsettias Message-ID: <3A2BCEA8.3A42A396@uswest.net> Seasons Greetings! I'd like a share a very nice web page on Poinsettias put out by the University of Illinois Extension. You can visit it at: http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/poinsettia/ The site contains such information as History and Legend, Poinsettia Facts, Poinsettia Care, and more. Of particular interest to me was the fact that Poinsettia are not poisonous as we have all been led to believe over the years. An Ohio State University study is sited in the Poinsettia Facts section. Enjoy! Sue Bass Master Gardener From mblock@Ag.Arizona.Edu Mon Dec 4 17:36:33 2000 From: mblock@Ag.Arizona.Edu (Marikelly Block) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fwd: hey i have some questions Message-ID: <200012041732.KAA21760@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Could someone on the listserv help this student out with these questions? Send me a carbon copy of your response if you are able to help out. Thanks Kelly >From: Harleygrl20@aol.com >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:28:29 EST >Subject: hey i have some questions >To: ceweb@Ag.Arizona.Edu >X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 110 > > Hi , Im working on my science fair project and i have to to interview a >expert, i was wondering if someone could answer a few questions for me? I >got information from AZ Master Gardener Manual. My problem question is , >which plants absorb dye better? (im not sure on the exact wordding.) > >1.) How do plants eat? > >2.)What part of the stem ,roots do plants use to absord things? > >3.) Do all plants use the same parts of the stem and roots to absorb things? > >4.) why do only certian flowers change color when you put them in coloerd >water? > >5.) if i use food coloring how long do you think it would take for the plants >to change color? > **************************** Marikelly Block Applications Systems Analyst Senior Cooperative Extension University of Arizona 301 Forbes Bldg. Tucson, AZ 85721 520-626-9174 mblock@ag.arizona.edu From crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu Mon Dec 4 19:36:01 2000 From: crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu (crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012041936.MAA18821@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com Mon Dec 4 23:24:22 2000 From: kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com (kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012042324.QAA08550@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a fruit cocktail citrus tree that is 3-5 years old. This was the first year it produced fruit (oranges). I watered the tree thoroughly & fertilized it four times per year. I just tasted one oranges off the tree and it tastes "okay." I expected it to be much sweeter & juicer than store purchased oranges, but it's not. Any suggestions or reasons why? Thank you. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Mon Dec 4 23:59:12 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:59:12 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Queen Palm fronds hanging down vertically Message-ID: <82.3bd2a5c.275d89d0@aol.com> A strong wind will sometimes bend the palm fronds over so that they hang vertically. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 5 00:11:41 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:11:41 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Oranges not sweet Message-ID: The longer citrus stays on the tree the sweeter they get. I usually do not pick many oranges until January or February or later. The fruit will be good until late spring. If the variety is valentia, it does not ripen until February. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Tue Dec 5 02:42:36 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] "Pink Plants" References: <200011281817.LAA20421@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2C561C.D18355DF@qwest.net> I don't have a clue what these plants are, but permit me to share a similar question I had on our drive south to Douglas for Thanksgiving. There were a number of dark pink hued bushes all along I-10, about the same size you mention. Fields and fields of glorious, cold-induced color. Turns out they were all frost-bitten tumbleweeds, a true problem plant in our state. Could this be what you are witnessing? They're much more acceptable in their autumnal foliage, in my opinion! Linda Guy Master Gardener edieweber1@hotmail.com wrote: > I would like to know the name of the pink plants that have sprung up in disturbed soil around Fountain Hills and the Ft. McDowell reservation. They seem to grow to about a foot tall and each branch is covered with tiny pink and maroon flowers. There are prickers all over the branch, and the flowers seem to grow out of the prickers. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Tue Dec 5 02:48:30 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:48:30 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flower Selection References: <200011161226.FAA22987@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2C577E.E6143115@qwest.net> A good place to start for information on annuals is one of our online publications, AZ 1100 Flower and Bedding Plant Guide for the low desert. Write us again if you have more specific questions after perusing this. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#Flowers Linda Guy Master Gardener Bat4@msn.com wrote: > My house faces East and West. During this > time of the year a lot of they areas I would > like to plant flowers has early morning sun > but mostly shade. Are there any flowers that > do well with mostly shade and what are they? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From cenalmor@yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 14:25:18 2000 From: cenalmor@yahoo.com (cenalmor@yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:25:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012051425.HAA03601@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia millii) that I got about 3 months ago as a gift. I have never found too much info on how to care for this plant, but I had it inside and it did alright for a while, it even bloomed. For the last 3-4 weeks, leaves have first slowly turn yellow and dropped, and now, at a very fast speed, I loose about 3-4 leaves a day. This morning there were only 3 semi-live leaves on it. I have tried putting it next to a brighter window, since I thought with the shorter days it may not be getting enough light. Also I have cut back in watering as with all of my other plants. The leaves seem to be turning yellow with brown hard dots everywhere. I don't know if it's just bad care on my part or if it actually has a problem. Can anybody help me? I haven't been able to find much information internet. Thank you, Barbara From saz621@primenet.com Tue Dec 5 15:30:46 2000 From: saz621@primenet.com (Mary Irish) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:30:46 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Crown of Thorns References: <200012051425.HAA03601@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2D0A25.73C1268F@primenet.com> Barbara, Your crown of thorns is probably not in trouble. This euphorbia grows best in very strong light and grows most when it is warmer than it is now. Its response to low light, drought, or cool temperatures is to drop all its leaves. This is not a problem, and the cutting back on watering was an excellent thing to do when it is in this state. Most will set a new flush of leaves either by putting them in stronger light or certainly when the weather warms in late February. This species does extremely well in a pot outdoors on the patio, or even in the ground if the bed is rocky and very well drained. It is a bit frost sensitive so if you think the temperatures in your yard will get below 30 degrees, bring it under the eaves or in the house for a short time. Good luck and enjoy this wonderful shrub. Mary cenalmor@yahoo.com wrote: > I have a Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia millii) that I got about 3 months ago as a gift. I have never found too much info on how to care for this plant, but I had it inside and it did alright for a while, it even bloomed. For the last 3-4 weeks, leaves have first slowly turn yellow and dropped, and now, at a very fast speed, I loose about 3-4 leaves a day. This morning there were only 3 semi-live leaves on it. I have tried putting it next to a brighter window, since I thought with the shorter days it may not be getting enough light. Also I have cut back in watering as with all of my other plants. The leaves seem to be turning yellow with brown hard dots everywhere. I don't know if it's just bad care on my part or if it actually has a problem. Can anybody help me? I haven't been able to find much information internet. > Thank you, > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Landlightdesign@aol.com Tue Dec 5 17:47:47 2000 From: Landlightdesign@aol.com (Landlightdesign@aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:47:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #23 - 31 msgs Maine,Arizona senior project Message-ID: --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cathy, The Irrigation system is a good starting point for any residential landscape planted in Arizona. The Arizona Municipal Water users Association has a guideline for landscape drip irrigation systems. They will provide you with a copy @602-248-8482. You might also check out http:// www.graywater.com/index.htm it has some very good info and lots of links. --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cathy, The Irrigation system is a good starting point for any residential
landscape planted in Arizona. The Arizona Municipal Water users Association
has a guideline for landscape drip irrigation systems. They will provide you
with a copy @602-248-8482. You might also check out http://
www.graywater.com/index.htm it has some very good info and lots of links. --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary-- From cnoyes@Ag.Arizona.Edu Wed Dec 6 16:34:12 2000 From: cnoyes@Ag.Arizona.Edu (Carol Noyes) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:34:12 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] New Live Gardening Internet Radio Show Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001206091634.00aafda0@ag.arizona.edu> Mary Irish has a new live Internet radio show every Saturday from 7:00 am to 8:00 am. Callers may either call in on the phone or send an email in to ask a question or provide a comment. One can access the show by going to the website www.elandscape.com and following the directions given there. while the directions are easy to follow, it is necessary to have 'player' software installed before you can hear the show. The most common one is 'RealPlayer' which is default loaded on almost all machines that are pretty new or have a Pentium chip in them. the other 'Winmap' can be downloaded for free off of the website. Anyone who doesn't have a player and needs to download it, or isn't sure about the whole process, should try it out a day or two before listening. The show is fun. Terry Mikel was a guest last week. The shows are archived on the site so one can go anytime and listen to any show, you just can't call or email in a question. Be sure and check it out! Carol Noyes Administrative Secretary Maricopa County Urban Horticulture/Master Gardener programs 602-470-8086 Ext. 308 Have a wonderful day!! ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~ From jjessex@quest.com Wed Dec 6 16:53:21 2000 From: jjessex@quest.com (jjessex@quest.com) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:53:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012061653.JAA21666@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Is there any way to keep rabbits from eating flowers? From gmoondoggi@uswest.net Thu Dec 7 01:16:17 2000 From: gmoondoggi@uswest.net (gmoondoggi@uswest.net) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:16:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012070116.SAA05369@Ag.Arizona.Edu> How do you care for a new 24" box guava tree planted Nov 30, 2000? From E10L25H@aol.com Thu Dec 7 02:34:05 2000 From: E10L25H@aol.com (E10L25H@aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:34:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012070234.TAA15978@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I'm currently working with a client on 3 southwestern courtyards,The problem is they are in southern louisiana, we are known for our extreme wet climate. I greatly need advice on some possible cactus and southwestern plants that can make it here, in the south. All will be planted in pots capible of bringing indoors. thank you for your time From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 14:53:25 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:53:25 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Guava care References: <200012070116.SAA05369@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FA465.615553AF@qwest.net> I am assuming that what you planted is the pineapple guava [Feijoa sellowiana], and not guava [Psidium] which the Sunset Western Garden Book only recommends for cool coastal areas of California. Both are of the myrtaceae family and are very large, evergreen shrubs that can be trained into trees. The former, which does grow in Phoenix, is a hardy subtropical fruit from South America. It is as wide as high, unless trained, and it can take almost any amount of pruning into an espalier, screen, tree or small hedge. Pruning is recommended for late spring. Fruit production is low in the desert, although areas of temperate climate produce much better. Beechwood, Coolidge and Nazemetz improved varieties are self-fertile, but cross-pollination with another tree improves the crop for these, and is necessary for other varieties. The fleshy white petals aree said to be edible and a garnish for fruit salads was recommended. These flowers are attractive to birds and bees. The tree is very drought tolerant and takes little water once established [after first year in ground] and will even handle water levels received if placed in the lawn. Deep watering to 2-3' every three weeks or so in the summer should do well in establishing the tree. Beyond this, I have little information on fertilizing, which, if you want fruit production, would probbly be a necessity. May I suggest you contact the Arizona chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers, which has a link from our page of garden clubs at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm Good luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener gmoondoggi@uswest.net wrote: > How do you care for a new 24" box guava tree planted Nov 30, 2000? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 15:26:41 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Rabbit Management References: <200012061653.JAA21666@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FAC31.74C2B09A@qwest.net> Barrier protection is the only truly effective means. Have you ever visited the Desert Botanical Gardens to see all the barriers they've built? During the drought of the summers, in particular, wildlife will eat anything that has a hint of succulence for the water content. You might view our page on management strategies at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/animals/rabbit.htm Some organic farm and garden suppliers sell predator urine [e.g. fox] with which to 'mark' one's gardens. Like other spray repellants, it washes off, but having sprayed your garden from time to time, it may be sufficient to suggest to the rabbits that they are safer in another's patch! The same can be accomplished with outdoor domestic animals [cats in particular], which strategy I can only recommend in rural areas, with the animals spayed/neutered, of course. Another very good strategy is to plant varieties that they do not like. I used to have a bookmark for a website with plants that resist rabbits [daffodils was one, I recall], but cannot find it now. Hopefully, one of my colleagues will be able to refresh my memory and provide you with this info. Linda Guy Master Gardener jjessex@quest.com wrote: > Is there any way to keep rabbits from eating flowers? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From saz621@primenet.com Thu Dec 7 16:35:06 2000 From: saz621@primenet.com (Mary Irish) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:swamp succulents References: <200012070234.TAA15978@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FBC38.685E4A5E@primenet.com> I, too, used to grow plants, including succulents in southeast Louisiana specifically New Orleans. Here are a few tips I learned. Grow them in pots with exception rocky soils in the pots for drainage. Bring them in for the winter beginning when the nights turn really cool and barely if ever water them during that time but do provide as much light as you can. If they have leaves, like pachypodiums, certain euphorbias and so forth and they drop their leaves in the winter, let them, keep them bone dry and wait for spring. Almost anything would grow for me but many of the leaf succulents (aloes, gasteria and so forth) as well as many of the small globular (rounded) cactus did the best. Succulents that I mentioned above with leaves are very good, but you have to be attentive to their dormancy requirements and keep them away from water in the winter. Good luck, Mary E10L25H@aol.com wrote: > I'm currently working with a client on > 3 southwestern courtyards,The problem > is they are in southern louisiana, we > are known for our extreme wet climate. > I greatly need advice on some possible > cactus and southwestern plants that can > make it here, in the south. All will be > planted in pots capible of bringing > indoors. thank you for your time > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:29:01 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:29:01 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Science Project Message-ID: <3A2FBACD.14C453F5@qwest.net> We used to have some very good and basic material in our 4-H area, and I am trying to locate some of this for you. In the meantime, let me try to address some of the basics. There are many types of root systems: fibrous roots of grass, corn, some flowers and shrubs; enlarged stems of an Irish potato, the globular root of a beet, the taproot of a carrot or dill plant. There are even aerial roots on certain plants. These should not be confused with bulbuous plants, like garlic or daffodils, whose bulbs are actually compacted sections of the stem complete with buds and modified leaves. The roots on a bulb dangle from the bulb's base; the part you cut off from the bottom of a green onion, for example. Plant roots absorb water and dissolved nutrients from the soil and conduct this to the stem to be distributed to the plant. The wall of each root cell is a semipermeable membrane, the sap inside the cell is a fairly strong solution of water, sugar & other substances called salts [not just NaCl!], and the scientific principle in play here is osmosis. The stronger solution inside the cell attracts the weaker one in the soil across the membrane. Ask your teacher to explain this better to you. We know a whole lot less about plant roots that plant tops, since they grow underground and when we remove them from the soil they no longer are behaving as in their natural habitat. There are several kinds of water in soil. Some is held so tightly by the soil that plants can't get it. That is, the chemical bond to the soil particle is stronger than the osmosis that the root cells could generate to attract it away to the plant. Once you add a bit more water, then some is held loosely by soil particles and the plant is able to absorb this by osmosis. Lastly, if the soil is really saturated with water, the excess runs through the soil, pulled by gravity. [There is also water evaporation from the top of the soil which acts against gravity and draws water up.] If there is extra water in the soil, the roots will also act in a storage capacity for the plant. Now on to the rest of the plant. Stems carry water and dissolved nutrients, called sap once inside the plant, up and into the above ground structure. Sap is moved by a combination of scientific forces: osmosis, capillary action, transpiration and the pressure in the atmosphere. Lots of water in the soil increases the rate of osmosis because the more water in the soil, the more dilute it is compared to that in the root cell. Sap will not move up the plant through the stem tissue called xylem if there is no water coming in through the roots. The capillary action in a plant stem is like a straw standing in a pan of water. The thinner and taller the tube the higher the water will rise [again assuming there is adequate water in the soil]. As the leaves of the plant transpire or lose water to evaporation, this action is like sucking on the end of the straw. Evaporation is controlled by openings in plant leaves called stomata, in the outside cell layers. The green matter of leaves is chlorophyll. Using the energy of the sun, the cells manufacture carbohydrates or sugars from the water and dissolved nutrients that the roots absorbed, and carbon dioxide in the air. This process is photosynthesis. If you had the ability to look at the cells in a leaf you would see that the parts that are shielded from the sun do not produce the plant's food, since sunlight is necessary for this process. A by-product of the plant's producing its food supply is the oxygen that is vital for us humans. Carbon dioxide comes in and oxygen goes out through the leaves' stomata which we already talked about. The leaf will save some of the food it generates and send the rest back into the plant. Some returns to the roots where it helps the root cells to grow [this happens at the tips of the roots] and get bigger and longer to absorb more water and nutrients to send up to the leaves, in the same cycle. It is not only flowers that will change colors: if you conduct the same experiment with a stalk of celery, for example, you will see stem and leaf change color, too. I don't know exactly why, but I suspect it may have to do with the volume of water in the cell tissue which carries the dye. Celery has a very high water content. There are two very good, basic books that show all these structures. Perhaps you can look for them in the library. I'm not sure what grade you are in, and I hope I won't insult you with this selection of what might appear to be picture books! Look very carefully as one of them has incredible detail on cell biology, including mitochondria, ER, nucleus, cytoplasm, etc. [I am a massage therapist, and I had to learn all about this type of stuff as it relates to our own human bodies!] One is from the Inside Guides series, called Incredible Plants. The other is Picturepedia of Plants. Both are DK Publishing books. Please write us back if you need more help, or at least to give us an address to mail some materials, if we find they are available. Good luck on your project. Linda Guy Master Gardener From amandaset@aol.com Thu Dec 7 16:45:44 2000 From: amandaset@aol.com (amandaset@aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:45:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012071645.JAA08018@Ag.Arizona.Edu> If you have any information you could send to me regarding the following plants: Poverty bush Mexican Heather Pink Verbena Royal Robe bush Salvia greggi sage Thank you, Amanda From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:39:35 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peoria Nurseries References: <200011280118.SAA01244@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FBD46.8B19E2C6@qwest.net> We aren't 'permitted' to recommend specific suppliers, but I have purchased plant materials from the following nurseries which have outlets in or near Peoria. However, Peoria is pretty big, north to south, and I'm not sure they'd be near, say Harper's, which is in the adjacent town of Surprise. Tip Top [623/971-9311] Gardener's World [623-934-0700] Harper's [623-583-9250] Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County naeve@ames.net wrote: > My parents just purchased a home in a retirement community in Peoria, Arizona. They will need some landscape materials and advice. Can you recommend a good, reputable nursery in their area where I could purchase a gift certificate for Christmas? If possible, send me their phone number. THANKS. > > Linda Naeve > Ames, IA 515-292-7778 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:49:09 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:49:09 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Persimmons in Tucson References: <200011251520.IAA19679@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FBF84.8F1D119A@qwest.net> According to the Sunset Western Garden Book, p. 412, the Oriental or Japanese persimmon [Diospyros kaki] will grow here but will rarely fruit. It does not say if this is because the heat impacts pollination, or the lack of winter chill hours, which you may well have if you have frost often. Most deciduous fruit trees will have a minimum requirement for hours of winter cold in order to fruit well. If you do not care about the fruit, it is still a lovely ornamental tree. It probably needs some pretty consistent watering in the summer. The American persimmon [D. virginiana], which I grew up with in rural Maryland, is not recommended in your zone at all. You might want to try the link to the Arizona Chapter of California Rare Fruit Growers to see if someone is growing these successfully and which varieties work particularly well. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm Linda Guy Master Gardener sprocket@primenet.com wrote: > Is it possible to grow persimmons in Tucson? We live in an area that gets very cold during the winter, down to below freezing. > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:51:42 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page] Message-ID: <3A2FC01E.C31F6847@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you address this gentleman's question regarding the suitability of the Youth Gardening Conference to his California locale? Linda --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: lindaguy@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 1339 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2000 20:47:23 -0000 Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) by pop.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 20:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55049 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from ag.arizona.edu (128.196.42.70) by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29266; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ag.arizona.edu (Ag.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.70]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29150 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Errors-To: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From: bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Sender: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Originating-URL: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/question.htm Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page X-BeenThere: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Gardening and Landscaping in Dry Climates X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... thank you for your help bill _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87-- From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:05:05 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Insurance for School Gardening References: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FC340.B11EB671@qwest.net> Because you are simply a gathering of neighbors, I suspect it may be harder to secure insurance than if you were some kind of legal entity. Can the agency take out the policy or an additional rider and your group pay for it? The landowner should first make sure its own insurance covers property damage and personal injury claims as well. Most schools, botanical gardens, or government agencies can simply attach a rider for your extra activity at some minimal additional cost, which you could pick up or ask the PTA to help support. Places to try for more information are the American Community Gardening Assn. http://communitygarden.org/ or the National Gardening Association http://www.garden.org/ who are pretty active in this area. I have forwarded your note to someone who is intimately involved with the February conference, asking her to address your concerns about applicability to a California locale. Have you seen our website sections on Youth Gardening http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/youth/youth.htm and our book on same http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/sch-bk.htm ? Linda Guy Master Gardener bmaynard@woodrodgers.com wrote: > the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... > my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? > we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? > > and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... > > thank you for your help > > bill > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:22:11 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:22:11 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Science Project References: <200011290230.TAA29374@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FC743.2D072B03@qwest.net> Cathy, Believe it or not, we have so many climate zones, [we even have ski resorts that already opened!] that you could do a paper on planting at just about any elevation. I'll assume you want to focus on the low desert in and around Phoenix, where we are based, and take it from there. I highly recommend the brochures from the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association. The pictures are colorful, and they are arranged in a variety of attractive landscape settings. http://www.amwua.org/ Spend some time studying the concept of xeriscaping, which we actively recommend for landscaping here. The Desert Botanical Gardens located in Phoenix also have some online information. Look specifically at recommended plants for our area. http://www.dbg.org/5/infosht.html Once you have the name from these lists, you could see photos at http://www.aridzonetrees.com/gallery.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/plants/plants-b.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/plants/plants-a.htm Best of luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County XER519@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am a student at Assabet Valley Regional Technical High School and i have to do a "Senior Project" and i choose to compare how to landscape two different landscapes with very different climates. Maine and Arizona. So i was hoping you could give me some ideas on what you would use to landscape a home down there in Arizona.(Trees, Shrubs, flowers...etc) I would very much appreciate it if you could help me. > Thank you for your time > ~Cathy~ > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:33:35 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:33:35 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bamboo References: <200011282233.PAA17317@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FC9EF.AA77A407@qwest.net> Check out the website of the American Bamboo Society. The Tierra Seca chapter has principals based in Tucson, and there is a direct link to them from this site. http://www.bamboo.org/abs/ The Sunset Western Garden Book has a substantial discussion on bamboo as well. Their 5 pages are too much to summarize here. Linda Guy Master Gardener phg@citieswestpub.com wrote: > Does anyone know about growing bamboo in the Valley? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From david.beaujon@state.co.us Thu Dec 7 18:05:51 2000 From: david.beaujon@state.co.us (david.beaujon@state.co.us) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:05:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012071805.LAA25252@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I work for the Colorado General Assembly. A legislator is considering legislation to provide a tax credit for planting drought resistant grasses instead of Kentucky Blue Grass. He hopes this program will reduce the growing demand for municipal water. He asked me to find information on the preferred, drought resistant grasses in Arizona. Please send me information about the recommended grasses, including water saving that results from planting a particular grass. He is especially interested in grasses that live throughout the year and from one growing season to the next. Any help is greatly appreciated. My phone # (303) 866-4781 and fax is (303) 866-3855 From Paquito714@netscape.net Thu Dec 7 18:49:14 2000 From: Paquito714@netscape.net (Francisco Saenz) Date: 7 Dec 00 10:49:14 PST Subject: [Arid_gardener] REMOVE FROM MAIL LIST Message-ID: <20001207184914.29052.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Please remove me from your mailing list, will like to hear from you, only if I ask an specific question. The rest of th e messages are totally irrelevant to me Best Regards... Francisco Saenz Paquito714@ Netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From aztortoiselady@aol.com Thu Dec 7 19:29:19 2000 From: aztortoiselady@aol.com (aztortoiselady@aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:29:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012071929.MAA12548@Ag.Arizona.Edu> PLEASE HELP ME FIND: I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. Thank you Marla From steve.sheard@motorola.com Thu Dec 7 20:21:10 2000 From: steve.sheard@motorola.com (Stephen Sheard) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:21:10 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado in Tempe Message-ID: I have an Avacado tree that is now about 18". I want to plant it out in the yard. Any recommendations? Can I ever expect fruit in this climate? After how many years. Regards Steve Sheard From rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com Thu Dec 7 20:56:05 2000 From: rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com (Alan Zelhart) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:56:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200012071929.MAA12548@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FF965.F88B05F8@email.sps.mot.com> Marla, I could only find a site that sells the seeds. Here is the website address and other information: http://www.greatbasinseed.com/pg2.html Also, one of your arboretums or garden centers may sell them. Also, botonical nurseries. Alan aztortoiselady@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE HELP ME FIND: > > I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. > Thank you Marla > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener -- Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector R. Alan Zelhart CAD Software Asset Management 2100 East Elliot Road; Mail Drop EL714 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Sunset Zone: 13 - Metro Phoenix Work Phone: (480) 413-3470 Home Phone: (480) 699-3977 Cell Phone: (602) 692-4037 Pager: (888) 996-9501 Fax: (480) 413-5723 "You can't create a reputation you haven't earned" --Robert W. Galvin From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 8 00:39:11 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:39:11 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado in Tempe References: Message-ID: <3A302DAF.3C292356@uswest.net> I'd like to refer you to the Arizona Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers for help with your avocado question. Please go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/sub-trpc.htm for information on how to contact them. Good Luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Stephen Sheard wrote: > I have an Avacado tree that is now about 18". I want to plant it out in the > yard. Any recommendations? Can I ever expect fruit in this climate? After > how many years. > Regards > Steve Sheard > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From umiller@azdps.com Fri Dec 8 03:13:05 2000 From: umiller@azdps.com (Ursula Miller) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] RE: [Arid gardener] Peoria Nurseries In-Reply-To: <3A2FBD46.8B19E2C6@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hi, Linda - Gardener's World in Peoria closed a while ago. I volunteered at their poinsettia festival at the Baseline Gardener's World location last Saturday and they told me that the Peoria store is now closed. Too bad - they had a nice selection. Ursula Miller -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Linda Guy Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:40 AM To: naeve@ames.net Cc: Arid gardener server Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peoria Nurseries We aren't 'permitted' to recommend specific suppliers, but I have purchased plant materials from the following nurseries which have outlets in or near Peoria. However, Peoria is pretty big, north to south, and I'm not sure they'd be near, say Harper's, which is in the adjacent town of Surprise. Tip Top [623/971-9311] Gardener's World [623-934-0700] Harper's [623-583-9250] Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County naeve@ames.net wrote: > My parents just purchased a home in a retirement community in Peoria, Arizona. They will need some landscape materials and advice. Can you recommend a good, reputable nursery in their area where I could purchase a gift certificate for Christmas? If possible, send me their phone number. THANKS. > > Linda Naeve > Ames, IA 515-292-7778 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 13:52:26 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 06:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Lemon Bottle Brush References: <200010292258.PAA21997@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30E79A.8EC52243@qwest.net> These Australian natives need very little water once established, as well as full sun shine. They are very tolerant of our alkaline soils. I'm thinking that (a) you placed them on the east side where their sun exposure is too limited and /or (b) you are watering them as if they were less-adapted to our climate, which is to say too much water is being applied. You don't say that they are appearing damaged in any way, but just a word of caution that they suffer from chlorosis [see our discussion of this at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/cultural/chlorsis.htm]. This is another condition of overwet soil. I see that your question dates from the end of October. I'm so sorry that it has taken us this long to respond. Our vegetable gardens are in full swing in the month of November and many of us volunteers have dirt rather than a keyboard under our fingers in this time frame. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Linda Guy Master Gardener Autumntwo@earthlink.net wrote: > I have two 5 year old Lemon Bottle Brush bushes on the east side of my house. The second year they bloomed from late Mar thru Sept, but each year they bloomed fewer months until this year once for about 3 weeks. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:12:09 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:12:09 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Locating Prosopsis pubescens References: <200012071929.MAA12548@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30EC39.FCFF1DE6@qwest.net> Marla, The screwbean mesquite is an Arizona native, and I've known many nurseries in the valley to carry them. Baker's, Harper's and Desert Winds in Phoenix specifically come to mind. They aren't carried all year long, and since autumn is such a great time to plant, they may have run out. Send me your address and I'll send you a few of my little 'screwbeans'. These will have been laying on my granite for some time and are beginning to blacken and rot...a perfect time to get the seeds. Too bad you don't live around here, you could dig up some of the volunteers! Linda Guy Master Gardener aztortoiselady@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE HELP ME FIND: > > I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. > Thank you Marla > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:20:44 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:20:44 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Arborvitae References: <200011140447.VAA05959@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30EE3C.FCE421CF@qwest.net> I don't know anything about this particular plant, but it appears that you haven't heard from one of us yet, so here goes. The Sunset Western Garden Book and some of my other reference materials do not have specific pruning instructions, either. Unless the branch is clearly dead, dry, snaps in your hand, I would be inclined to wait for a flush of new growth come spring and prune around that. Linda Guy Master Gardener ahayes1915@aol.com wrote: > I have a arborvitae and this summer the heat > really affected it. It has alot of dead > stuff on it. What I would like to know should I cut off all the dead wood. It kinda > looks like it is starting to come back with green on some of the branches. Would it be > a good time to fertilze it. And what kind > of fertilzer would be the best. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:27:31 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flowers References: <200011301956.MAA20730@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30EFD3.B1645704@qwest.net> If you are looking to plant an annual border, we have an excellent publication that is available to you online. Look in the Flowers section of our pubs list at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Linda Guy Master Gardener thgroves@infomagic.com wrote: > I am looking for flower suggestions. I am wanting to cover a large "berm" that is on the West side of my father's home in New River. What he had in mind was a mass planting of flowers but we need some sugestions as to what would be appropriate. He is looking for flowers that bloom year round or as close to it as possible. The area varies from full shade to full sun so a variety of flowers are probably in order. Having been born and raised in Flagstaff, I am new to gardening in this climate and would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:35:20 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus Variety Selection References: <200011271335.GAA13413@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30F1A8.A81C7216@qwest.net> I would certainly recommend using dwarf stock in an area such as you describe. Citrus are very broad trees. For ideas on which variety you might prefer, see our excellent pub AZ 1001 on our pubs list page at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#top While you are there, check out the pub on irrigation, also online. That way you'll give your trees a good start! Linda Guy Master gardener saltou@uswest.net wrote: > We have about 6 feet between our back wall > to our property and the curbing for the grass > area in our back yard. Is there enough room > to plant a citrus tree there? How close should > we plant to the curb where the grass starts? > We what to plant an orange tree, lemon tree > and a grapefruit tree. Do they come in dwarf > varities? What is the best for eating or > juicing? How close can I plant the trees to > each other. Thanks. > Debbie > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:43:27 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:43:27 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Native Grasses References: <200012071805.LAA25252@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30F38F.7CC629C9@qwest.net> I will refer your question to a fellow Master Gardener who is also a turf agronomist. I've sent him several emails lately and haven't received responses, so I'm assuming his business demands are pressing at the moment. However the good news is that there are some high desert nurseries that could be of help to you now. David Salman of Santa Fe Greenhouses/High Country Gardens catalog [ www.highcountrygardens.com ] is, I thought, somehow affiliated with your own Denver Botanical Gardens. And Plants of the Southwest, also in Santa Fe, sells native grasses too. www.plantsofthesouthwest.com This should at least get you started. Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County david.beaujon@state.co.us wrote: > I work for the Colorado General Assembly. A legislator is considering legislation to provide a tax credit for planting drought resistant grasses instead of Kentucky Blue Grass. He hopes this program will reduce the growing demand for municipal water. He asked me to find information on the preferred, drought resistant grasses in Arizona. Please send me information about the recommended grasses, including water saving that results from planting a particular grass. He is especially interested in grasses that live throughout the year and from one growing season to the next. Any help is greatly appreciated. My phone # (303) 866-4781 and fax is (303) 866-3855 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:57:12 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Effect of Gray water on marigolds References: <200011171853.LAA05207@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30F6C8.4DBACA07@qwest.net> We have some publications on the topic which you need to order [they aren't online] At http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#soil you can order MC 64, Grey Water for Plants. The impact is dependent on the composition of your laundry soap. In general, however, plants that like alkaline conditions [bermuda grass, oleanders, palms] will handle grey water better. A marigold would not fall in this classification. If you are using a very high sodium/alkaline detergent, for which a valve is recommended that you would manually divert wash cycle water to the sewer/septic system and rinse water to the plants. Another pub that you might want to order is 8736 Softened & Recycled Water. In addition to this you might peruse the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association and see if someone there has more info. http://www.amwua.org/ In general, if you are going to use these beds on an ongoing basis, you should be cautious of intensifying our soil's propensity to retain salt. Linda Guy Master Gardener 06kelong@ksbe.edu wrote: > do you know what the effect of gray water is on plants? especially french marigolds? thankx a lot! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 16:06:38 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Banana Palm References: <200011101830.LAA01416@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A31070E.22CD829@qwest.net> Ensete is a palmlike perennial and is the closest I could come to your plant. If this is what you have, the Sunset Western Garden Book says that flowers will usually form 2-5 years after planting; after flowering, the plant dies to its roots, after which new plants will sprout from the now soil-level crown. However, the book simply recommends replacing the plant at that point. Pruning would probably entail removing the outer dried leaves. You could try shortening the plant with a propagation technique called air layering at http://ag.arizona.edu./pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html which is a section of the Arizona Master Gardener Manual. Another technique on the same page that might work is root cutting. Good luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener mp@gknet.com wrote: > How do you prune a banana palm? There is new growth coming out of the top but the bottom and side leaves are all dried and brown. It is very tall and I want to fill out the bottom. If I cut it straight across at the bottom, will new growth appear or will I kill the plant if I do that. If I trim off all the dry, dead leaves, it will appear top-heavy. Any suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From librarian2002@yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 21:22:23 2000 From: librarian2002@yahoo.com (librarian2002@yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:22:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012082122.OAA24164@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I would like to hear from anyone in NE Phx area who could assist with landscape design for a small area at Gold Dust School (36th Street & Cholla). Cub Scouts and PTSA joint project. (602) 485-3771. Thanks! From cenalmor@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 00:11:43 2000 From: cenalmor@yahoo.com (Barbara Cenalmor) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:11:43 -0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita Message-ID: <000e01c06306$f1e45300$02ffa8c0@snagglepuss.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of Spain = with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and = when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is = it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love = to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can = plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about = importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that = will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the = area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? Also, is there a = place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? Or if not, I was = planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I = can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this. Do Manzanita = bushes have a tap root? That could make it difficult for me to dig one = up. Is there any easier way to propagate? I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that = would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I = can solve this problem before. =20 Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, this may be a strange = request.  My mother=20 lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the=20 Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love = with the=20 Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a = large=20 property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small = Manzanita=20 bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have very = strict=20 laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in = something that=20 will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the=20 area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  Also, is = there a=20 place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if not, I = was=20 planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I = can dig=20 up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do = Manzanita bushes=20 have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to dig one = up. =20 Is there any easier way to propagate?
I would appreciate any info, or if you = know of=20 anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm leaving = on Dec.=20 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.  =
Thanks so much in advance to anybody = that helps me=20 with this.
 
Barbara
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From sjbass@uswest.net Mon Dec 11 00:37:45 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita References: <000e01c06306$f1e45300$02ffa8c0@snagglepuss.com> Message-ID: <3A3421D9.4E0C4169@uswest.net> --------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara: Manzanita are lovely shrubs. I have seen them in nurseries in the Sedona area. I wouldn't suggest digging one up. Below is the address and phone number of the Gila County Cooperative Extension as well as the e-mail address of Chris Jones, who is an agent at that office. I think they could give you more information on the growing habits of the manzanita and whether it could be taken to Spain without jeopardizing the native plant population. Gila County Cooperative Extension 1177 Monroe Street Globe, AZ 85501-1415 Phone: (520) 425-7179 Fax: (520) 425-0265 ckjones@ag.arizona.edu Good luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Barbara Cenalmor wrote: > Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of > Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, > and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, > or is it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I > would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush > that she can plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict > laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in > something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural > vegetation of the area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? > Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? > Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look > for a small one I can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing > this. Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root? That could make it > difficult for me to dig one up. Is there any easier way to > propagate?I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in > Gila Co. that would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. > and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.Thanks so much in > advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara --------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara:
Manzanita are lovely shrubs.  I have seen them in nurseries in the Sedona area.  I wouldn't suggest digging one up.  Below is the address and phone number of the Gila County Cooperative Extension as well as the e-mail address of Chris Jones, who is an agent at that office.  I think they could give you more information on the growing habits of the manzanita and whether it could be taken to Spain without jeopardizing the native plant population. 

Gila County Cooperative Extension
1177 Monroe Street
Globe, AZ 85501-1415
 Phone: (520) 425-7179
 Fax: (520) 425-0265
ckjones@ag.arizona.edu

Good luck!
Sue Bass
Master Gardener
 
 
 
 

Barbara Cenalmor wrote:

Hi, this may be a strange request.  My mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I can dig up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to dig one up.  Is there any easier way to propagate?I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara
--------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A-- From clydic@netzone.com Mon Dec 11 02:52:05 2000 From: clydic@netzone.com (Carol Lydic) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita In-Reply-To: <000e01c06306$f1e45300$02ffa8c0@snagglepuss.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara, I'm a master gardener in Gila County, and I'd strongly suggest you drive to Payson next weekend and visit Plant Fair Nursery in Star Valley. They carry natives. Manzanita is a protected plant; you could run afoul of the constabulary if you are caught digging one up. And alas, it is not easy to transplant and would probably not survive. I'd suggest you call ahead (520. 474.6556) and make sure they have them in stock before you make the trip. From the other end, I don't have a clue about breaking any laws on the Spanish side! -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Barbara Cenalmor Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:12 PM To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this. Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root? That could make it difficult for me to dig one up. Is there any easier way to propagate? I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before. Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Barbara, I'm a master gardener in Gila = County, and I'd=20 strongly suggest you drive to Payson next weekend and visit Plant Fair = Nursery=20 in Star Valley.  They carry natives.  Manzanita is a protected = plant;=20 you could run afoul of the constabulary if you are caught digging one = up. =20 And alas, it is not easy to transplant and would probably not = survive.  I'd=20 suggest you call ahead (520. 474.6556) and make sure they have them in = stock=20 before you make the trip.  From the other end, I don't have a clue = about=20 breaking any laws on the Spanish side!
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu=20 [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Barbara = Cenalmor
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:12 = PM
To:=20 arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener]=20 manzanita

Hi, this may be a strange = request.  My=20 mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as = the=20 Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love = with the=20 Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a = large=20 property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small = Manzanita=20 bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have = very=20 strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring = in=20 something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural = vegetation=20 of the area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  = Also, is=20 there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if = not, I=20 was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small = one I can=20 dig up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do = Manzanita=20 bushes have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to = dig one=20 up.  Is there any easier way to propagate?
I would appreciate any info, or if = you know of=20 anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm = leaving on=20 Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before. =20
Thanks so much in advance to anybody = that helps=20 me with this.
 
Barbara
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60-- From cruzanhlm@aol.com Mon Dec 11 03:42:26 2000 From: cruzanhlm@aol.com (cruzanhlm@aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:42:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012110342.UAA00508@Ag.Arizona.Edu> why do the leaves on my citrus trees turn yellowish at this time of year? Is there something that I should be doing? Normally they are very green but the tips ends are strating to turn. From Landlightdesign@aol.com Mon Dec 11 14:00:41 2000 From: Landlightdesign@aol.com (Landlightdesign@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:00:41 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #25 - 18 msgs,screwbean,mesquite Message-ID: --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marla, I saw a 5 gal. Screwbean Mesquite for sale at Boyce Thompson Arboretum last week. 520-689-2723 Paul --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marla, I saw a 5 gal. Screwbean Mesquite for sale at Boyce Thompson Arboretum
last week. 520-689-2723

Paul --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary-- From Landlightdesign@aol.com Mon Dec 11 14:48:06 2000 From: Landlightdesign@aol.com (Landlightdesign@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:48:06 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #25 - 18 msgs, Graywater use Message-ID: <50.e8bcb1c.27664326@aol.com> --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.graywater.com is a good source for graywater info also Tucson Water has funded several studies with the U of A Office of arid lands studies, water resource research center and water conservation alliance of southern Arizona. The City of Santa Barbara has a graywater reuse program that has been in place for several years. They might have info on long term build up problems. You might want to check out Water-wise Gardening by Thomas Christopher, Simon & Schuster ISBN: 0-671-73856-9 Good luck Paul --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.graywater.com is a good source for graywater info also Tucson Water has
funded several studies with the U of A Office of arid lands studies, water
resource research center and water conservation alliance of southern Arizona.
The City of Santa Barbara has a graywater reuse program that has been in
place for several years. They might have info on long term build up problems.
You might want to check out  Water-wise Gardening by Thomas Christopher,
Simon & Schuster ISBN: 0-671-73856-9

Good luck  Paul --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary-- From MTCactiPi@aol.com Tue Dec 12 01:19:36 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:19:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012120119.SAA05162@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I am considering planting a queen palm in my garden in Tucson. I think I will plant it in mid to late April when it begins to warm up. My question, hot many feet of growth would a 15 gallon plant put on in one summer-fall growing season. Also, I have plants such as bougainvillea, citrus and olives in my yard-would their watering schedule be adequate for a queen palm. I currently water everthing for 3 hours twice a week during the summer. I can put as many emmiters on the palm as is necessary, but I really don't want to install a seperate line for the palm. I will although hand water it as much as needed until its established. Thaks for any suggestions! From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:49:34 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:34 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Sick Palm Plant Message-ID: <31.dd498ef.2766ec3e@aol.com> Pascale, The Chinese Fan Palm ( Livistona chinensis ) is a medium to high water use plant and makes a good indoor potted plant. You may not be giving it enough water. I would suggest that you flush the pot periodically to remove any salts that may be browning the leaves. It is typical of palms for the lower fronds to yellow and die. Most palms require periodic fertilization to keep them looking healthy. Try to find a palm tree fertilizer to meet the special needs of palms, one that is high in nitrogen and potassium and low in phosphorous, a 3-1-3 Ratio is ideal. Do not use a high phosphorous fertilizer such as Miracle Grow 15-30-15 or other similiar formulation. University of Arizona has an excellent bulletin on line about palm tree care at : http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:49:39 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:39 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Citrus with yellow leaves Message-ID: It is not abnormal for the citrus leaves to start to turn yellow this time of year. They should green up when temperatures turn warm again. If you haven't increased the irrigation interval, do it right away. Deep water once a month is adequate for your citrus as well as other trees. Over watering can also cause yellow leaves. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From mytuna123@aol.com Tue Dec 12 18:18:43 2000 From: mytuna123@aol.com (mytuna123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:18:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012121818.LAA02450@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Husband and I just moved to Surprise, Arizona. Del Webb Grand. We had some orange trees planted and the leaves are turning yellow. Can you tell me what to do? Also I have a Gardena Bush and have had it for 6 months..never saw a gardena. Also when and how often do we water in the winter months? Thank you so much...Fran From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 21:20:47 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:20:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Winter Watering Message-ID: Hi Fran, It is not abnormal for the citrus leaves to start to turn yellow this time of year. They should green up when temperatures turn warm again. If you haven't increased the irrigation interval, do it right away. Deep water once a month is adequate for your citrus as well as other trees. Over watering can also cause yellow leaves. Winter watering for your shrubs should be once every two to three weeks. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From susanwoodrow@earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 14:44:47 2000 From: susanwoodrow@earthlink.net (susanwoodrow@earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012131444.HAA07040@Ag.Arizona.Edu> We have a dwarf navel orange planted by landscapers in August. I believe they fertilized it when they planted it. It now has dropping yellowed curled leaves. Seems to be only from the top of the tree. There is one large orange on the tree turning orange. It was there when the tree was planted. The tree is on an automatic timed watering system. Thank you. From duplex@att.net Wed Dec 13 15:45:30 2000 From: duplex@att.net (duplex@att.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:45:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012131545.IAA18096@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I had an "Arizona Sweet Orange" simi-dwarf planted by my landscaper and have a question. It has been in the ground since the first of February of this year, and doesn't appear to have grown any taller. All growth has been in width, not height. Is that normal, or should I be doing something to encourage it to grow taller? I do occasionally cut the ones growing outward to encourage the growth upward, but it isn't working. Suggestions? Thanks, Doug House From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:40:13 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:40:13 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Citrus leaves yellowing Message-ID: It is normal for citrus leaves to yellow at this time of year, also yellowing can be caused by over watering. If you have not changed your time clock to adjust for the winter weather it is time to do so. The curled leaves could be caused by an insect called thrips, nothing to be concerned about , the damage is only cosmetic. Leaves will also curl if the tree is stressed from inadequate water. Check out this website on watering citrus and the folowing on citrus leaf drop: www.ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151 http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/cultural/leaf-drp.htm Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:41:18 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:41:18 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Orange tree growing wider than taller Message-ID: <62.9fe28fe.2769631e@aol.com> Doug, It is not uncommon for citrus to show very little growth the first year in the ground. Is it possible that someone has pruned the top of your orange tree ? If so the tree would grow wider than taller. You are correct in theory by pruning the side branches, however one should do very little pruning on a newly planted tree. Each leaf removed from a tree reduces its food manufacturing capacity. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:41:19 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:41:19 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Queen palm care Message-ID: <5f.e316ff8.2769631f@aol.com> Sorry but I don't have any info on the growth rate of a queen palm. Perhaps someone else on line will have that info. The queen palm will do very well on the same irrigation circuit as the other trees. Your trees would do better if for summer watering you changed your irrigation interval to once per week and doubled the 3 hour watering time. The bougainvillea would blossom more prolifically if you took it off the irrigation system and deep watered it once a month in the summer. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigatoion at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From gliderbabe@webtv.net Thu Dec 14 06:43:45 2000 From: gliderbabe@webtv.net (gliderbabe@webtv.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012140643.XAA11949@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I recall hearing that one could grow peanuts if you bought them raw. Also that it could be done fairly easily here in Phoenix. I bought some raw Spanish peanuts today, and just wonder when is the best time to plant them, do I need special soil prep, and how much water? Appreciate your time! Thank you! From 2tomdorine@gobi.com Thu Dec 14 15:00:01 2000 From: 2tomdorine@gobi.com (2tomdorine@gobi.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:00:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012141500.IAA00863@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have two hibiscus bushes whose leaves are turning yellow. What do they need? Also, can they be pruned now since they are getting rather spread out? Thanks. From skiltech@chorus.net Thu Dec 14 20:19:20 2000 From: skiltech@chorus.net (skiltech@chorus.net) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012142019.NAA09253@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I am moving to Phoenix and was wondering what type of plants, flowers and shurbs are good for this area. Any information would be of great help, since I am from the MidWest and I am sure plants are different in Arizona. Thanks for you help Sandi From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 14 21:22:59 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:22:59 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Hibiscus leaves yellowing Message-ID: This time of year over watering is usually the cause of yellow leaves. If you haven't adjusted your irrigation schedule for winter watering it is past time to do so. Pruning your hibiscus should wait until after the danger of frost is past. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From oegibson@west.raytheon.com Thu Dec 14 22:09:36 2000 From: oegibson@west.raytheon.com (oegibson@west.raytheon.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:09:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012142209.PAA02704@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I live at 4000' (Arivaca)Southwest of Green Valley AZ. I am looking for a plant source much like the UNLV site that has high desert plants. Thanks Owen Gibson From mfleming@thephxzoo.com Thu Dec 14 22:20:54 2000 From: mfleming@thephxzoo.com (mfleming@thephxzoo.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012142220.PAA05712@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Can anyone tell me if subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum) is grown in Arizona and under what conditions? We may use it inside our zoo exhibits. It is generaly know as a cover crop or lawn alternative. Thanks, Sincerely, Mark Fleming From rebecca.richter@asu.edu Fri Dec 15 16:13:10 2000 From: rebecca.richter@asu.edu (Rebecca Richter) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Earn volunteer hours by providing homestay for conference attendees, Feb. 21-25. Message-ID: <000e01c066b1$ec68a760$5d65db81@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable HI! The 4th Annual Southwestern Region Community and School Gardening = Conference is coming up in February. We have out- of-town attendees = that need a place to rest their weary heads after their busy days at the = conference. Simply donate one or more rooms in your home for a few days = and earn volunteer hours! Rooms will be needed from Wednesday, February = 21 through Sunday, February 25. If you are interested, please contact = me for further details at richterrebecca@hotmail.com or 480-317-0789. = Have a great day! Rebecca Richter=20 --Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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--Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ)-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Dec 17 04:09:12 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:09:12 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: tree problems Message-ID: Donny, Improper irrigation is probably the most common cause of the demise of our landscape trees in the low desert. There could be other causes of pine tree death, one of which is nematodes that attack the trees roots. It is not always possible to determine what killed a tree after it is dead nor is it possible to estimate the exact time the tree died. The root spread could be double or greater than the area beneath the drip line of the tree. We see pines around the valley that are at least 50 years or older. With the info you have furnished it is impossible to be more specific. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From ConstancII@aol.com Sun Dec 17 18:59:20 2000 From: ConstancII@aol.com (ConstancII@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:59:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012171859.LAA10920@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a pretty yellow rose bush (the only one that survived of 4) and yesterday I noticed a branch broken off, I put it in a vase of water, it has two buds on it. How can I get a root system to start a new plant, and how do I grow it? I put the bushes in the ground this spring, so it's young. The base of the bush is thick, but the other branches are thin. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Dec 17 20:39:45 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:39:45 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Roses started from cuttings Message-ID: <97.eabf47f.276e7e91@aol.com> The Master Gardener Manual has an excellent chapter on Plant Propagation and best of all it is on line.Check out the section on asexual propagation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html If you place a 2 liter pop bottle with the bottom cut out over the cutting it will help to keep the humidity high which will enable the cutting to root faster. I'm also including an article on planting and pruning of roses since it is that time of year. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Consulting Rosarian December and January is an exciting time of year for rose lovers, second only to the spring and fall blooming time. The nurseries will be receiving their new stock of roses in mid December, and we rosarians all look forward with anticipation the new rose varieties. For the best selection of varieties don't delay. If you wait until late January you may have trouble finding that favorite rose. You have three options as to where to buy roses: 1. Nurseries, 2. Mail order, 3. Discounters. There is also the option of buying either bare root or potted. My preference is to buy bare root from a nursery that stores the roses in a sawdust bin. The roots of roses stored in a sawdust bin can be examined, and if you don't like the appearance of the roots you don't have to buy. With a packaged rose you don't have that option. After the middle of February my preference is to buy potted roses because they have already started the rooting process, and the chances of survival are much better. If you are unable to find the variety wanted locally, then your only option is mail order.If the mail order option is used, again be sure and order early, not only for the best selection, but you won't want bare root roses shipped to the Phoenix area in March. It's time to plant.Dig the hole a month before you plant if possible, replace the soil with amendments and soak well. Do not put fertilizer in the planting hole at this time. Most rose books recommend a planting hole of at least 18 x 18 inches. My recommendation is to make the planting hole 30 x 30 inches, and especially if the soil is dense clay as is found in most of Maricopa county. If you have much caliche your options are to either dig out the caliche or to build raised beds. It's now planting time. Soak the bare root roses over night in water;dig out some of the planting mix, form a cone,spread the rose roots on the cone with the bud graft 2 inches above grade, backfill and water in well. To keep the canes from drying out mound up either the planting mix or mulch around the canes. January is the time to prune roses for those of you who already have them in your garden. Basically cut your hybred teas, florabundas, and minatures back from 1/3 to 1/2 depending on the size; cut out the dead wood, and strip off all the leaves and clean up around the bush. It is always helpful to attend one of the pruning demonstrations held in public rose gardens by most of the rose societies in the valley. Watch the Saturday newspapers home section for time and place. Have problems with roses or have questions to be answered, call the Master Gardner hot line or talk to one of the many Master Gardner Consulting Rosarians. Rod McKusick, Master Gardner and Consulting Rosarian From richterrebecca@hotmail.com Mon Dec 18 15:18:05 2000 From: richterrebecca@hotmail.com (Rebecca Richter) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:18:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] addendum to message sent 12/15 re: homestay for community and school gardening conf. attendees Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I sent a message on 12/15/2000 asking for anyone who would be able to = donate a room in his/her home to conference attendees during the = Southwest Regional Community and School Gardening Conference, Feb. = 22-25, 2001. I'd like to clarify that the conference is in Phoenix, = Arizona. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks! Rebecca Richter ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I sent a message on 12/15/2000 asking for anyone who = would be=20 able to donate a room in his/her home to conference attendees during the = Southwest Regional Community and School Gardening Conference, Feb. = 22-25,=20 2001.  I'd like to clarify that the conference is in Phoenix,=20 Arizona.  Please let me know if you can help.  = Thanks!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580-- From JeanSciFi@aol.com Mon Dec 18 16:35:17 2000 From: JeanSciFi@aol.com (JeanSciFi@aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:35:17 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Skeleton Weed Message-ID: <8.dc28eb8.276f96c5@aol.com> Hi Ed, I'm nursing a pet with back problems so have not spent much time on line, sorry. I picked a piece of skeleton weed I thought your described weed might be to check for stickers. I didn't find any although it was very brittle to the touch. I find the weed I'm referring to growing along roadways that have wide dirt shoulders. I took a piece to a master gardener meeting and Terry Miekles said it was skeleton weed. I see there are several kinds of skeleton weed listed in a book called Weeds of the West but none of the pictures look like the specimen I picked up. I don't know where you live but if you could take a piece of the plant to a county extension office someone their could probably ID the plant for you. If you live in Maricopa County the Extension office is 4341 E. Broadway in Phoenix. Good luck with your quest. Jean From arne@citde.net Mon Dec 18 23:10:10 2000 From: arne@citde.net (arne@citde.net) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:10:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012182310.QAA21824@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I brought a calamondin orange seedling from Florida to Germany. It was packed in a sealed bag to supposedly withstand traveling. When I unpacked it several leaves had browned and fallen off and I put it in a large pot with regular potting soil. I made a hole in the potting soil, sprinkled it with "rooting compound", a powder made from seaweed that is supposedly good for root growth and covered it up. Then I watered the plant from the top as was described in the instructions. In the following days the branches browned further from the top down. The instructions said to water again when the top soil got completely dry which was after about a week. I watered again. Now another week later everything is brown (it was dark green before). Is the plant dead or is there any likelihood that something is still alive? What should I do? I have had an oregano plant that although completely brown on top came out again after several months. Thank you for any help you can provide, -- Arne Ludwig Hamburg, Germany From cbi64@webtv.com Tue Dec 19 04:32:03 2000 From: cbi64@webtv.com (cbi64@webtv.com) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:32:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012190432.VAA12046@Ag.Arizona.Edu> not pleased with condition of winter lawn. have sparse spots and areas where heavy gowth. need suggestions on watering and also a good fertilizer to use thanx From ebenware@juno.com Tue Dec 19 05:54:51 2000 From: ebenware@juno.com (Edna JK Benware) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:54:51 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peanuts Message-ID: <20001218.232350.-184407.4.ebenware@juno.com> In the low desert, April is the time to put peanuts in the ground, and harvest in Aug/Sep when the plants begin to die. I did this last year, and they are luscious green plants with tiny yellow flowers. DO take the peanuts out of the shell before planting. DO give each plant room for underground growth of the goobers. Do be sure the ground is well turned/tilled so they can grow easily. Do water deeply no more than weekly, except let dry out a couple of weeks just prior to harvest. Enjoy! Edna Benware Master Gardener On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) gliderbabe@webtv.net writes: > I recall hearing that one could grow peanuts if you bought them raw. > Also that it could be done fairly easily here in Phoenix. I bought > some raw Spanish peanuts today, and just wonder when is the best > time to plant them, do I need special soil prep, and how much water? > Appreciate your time! Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From RAYCOOL@ATT.NET Tue Dec 19 17:11:11 2000 From: RAYCOOL@ATT.NET (RAYCOOL@ATT.NET) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:11:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012191711.KAA10337@Ag.Arizona.Edu> can & If I can how do I transplant Mediterranean Fan Palm off-shoots (babies) From gmiller@usagroup.com Tue Dec 19 19:36:34 2000 From: gmiller@usagroup.com (gmiller@usagroup.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012191936.MAA09700@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I need to maintain a green lawn all year round per the HOA in in my neighborhood and since we moved into our house in early december I cannot get any winter rye to grow, I scalped and overseeded 12-9-00 and topped with several bags of steer manure and mulched top dressing. It has been 11 days and still there are no visable sprouts. I am in a bind with the HOA and need to do something. Any suggestions would be helpful? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 19 22:52:20 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:52:20 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Rye grass seed not sprouting Message-ID: <69.eaf8550.277140a4@aol.com> Rye grass seed needs soil temperatures above 60 degrees to sprout well, and our soil temps have been below that for over a month in Mesa. It has been an unusual fall to say the least, the window to plant rye grass is usually from October 15 to November 15. This year with the colder than normal temps, narrowed that window to about two weeks. If the seed were allowed to dry after planting it would not have sprouted . I reseeded with rye about the same time that you planted and a very small amount has come up. If we have a warm spell you could try planting again, but there would not be anything guaranteed. If you need something to present to your HOA, U. of A. Extension bulletin 8652 titled OVERSEEDING BERMUDA GRASS will verify the information I've given you, and is available from the Extension at 4341 E. Broadway, Phoenix 85040 for $1.00. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From sophie@farmchina.com Wed Dec 20 02:32:29 2000 From: sophie@farmchina.com (Sophie Sun) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:32:29 +0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Channel of Organic Products on FarmChina.com Message-ID: <200012200246.TAA27543@Ag.Arizona.Edu> To Whom It May Concern: Want to sell your organic products to tremendous China market? FarmChina provides you an efficient and cost-saving marketplace for organic business. Please visit our Organic Products Exchange Channel (www.farmchina.com ) and find more useful free and value-added services. It is worth visiting. (You can do FREE posting of your buy/sell offers and make your own company webpage. It is absolutely FREE.) Please send your enquiry. We are happy to assist you. Kindest Regards, Sophie Sun Channel Manager FarmChina.Inc. Email: sophie@farmchina.com Fax:0086-10-65815987 Tel:0086-10-65814212/3/4/5 To unsubscribe, please visit http://eng.farmchina.com/misc/unsubscribe.asp From sophie@farmchina.com Wed Dec 20 03:11:46 2000 From: sophie@farmchina.com (Sophie Sun) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:11:46 +0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Channel of Organic Products on FarmChina.com Message-ID: <200012200314.UAA03856@Ag.Arizona.Edu> To Whom It May Concern: Want to sell your organic products to tremendous China market? FarmChina provides you an efficient and cost-saving marketplace for organic business. Please visit our Organic Products Exchange Channel (www.farmchina.com ) and find more useful free and value-added services. It is worth visiting. (You can do FREE posting of your buy/sell offers and make your own company webpage. It is absolutely FREE.) Please send your enquiry. We are happy to assist you. Kindest Regards, Sophie Sun Channel Manager FarmChina.Inc. Email: sophie@farmchina.com Fax:0086-10-65815987 Tel:0086-10-65814212/3/4/5 To unsubscribe, please visit http://eng.farmchina.com/misc/unsubscribe.asp From MTCactiPi@aol.com Wed Dec 20 03:29:35 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:29:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012200329.UAA05832@Ag.Arizona.Edu> This question concerns the size of a palm to buy. I want to plant a queen palm in my yard in Tucson next spring. When is the best(earliest)time to plant in my area? Most nurserys in my area sell 15 gallon or 24" inch boxed plants. Which is the better one to plant? I am leaning toward the 15 gallon due to easier planting. Should the hole be deeper then the rootball and how much wider? I think I will start diging next week so I have plenty of time to dig as big of a hole as is necessary. Also, I live close to a large wash and on land where they used to grow cotton. I know there is lots of calleche down there! From MTCactiPi@aol.com Wed Dec 20 03:32:18 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012200332.UAA06592@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I was reading through some of the old posts and ran accross some concerns on the use of ironite on edible plants. I have used it on citrus and have received good results. Should I continue using it? The bag even suggests using it on citrus and vegies. I don't want future generations growing a third eye or some other genetic deformity. From millero@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 20 06:12:40 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:12:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Use of Ironite on Edible Plants References: <200012200332.UAA06592@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <001b01c06a4c$35337f40$3c26480c@j0r9501> Ironite is mined from the tailings of copper mines near Bagdad AZ which are rich in iron and are also believed to contain lead and arsenic as byproducts of the refining process.. There has been much discussion in various forums in Usenet and on the Internet as to whether the product contains harmful quantities of arsenic and heavy metals and if uptake by plants in our alkaline soil could be a problem. Apparently our regulatory agencies believe it to be safe because its use is not banned. But many gardeners will not use it on edibles because of the nagging question about its safety. The best course is to peruse the available information and decide for yourself. A good place to begin is at http://www.ewg.org/pub/home/reports/asyousow/fertilizerpr.html and also Ironite's home page at www.ironite.com . Good luck! Olin Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was reading through some of the old posts and ran accross some concerns on the use of ironite on edible plants. I have used it on citrus and have received good results. Should I continue using it? The bag even suggests using it on citrus and vegies. I don't want future generations growing a third eye or some other genetic deformity. From millero@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 20 21:58:24 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:58:24 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: rock phosphate References: <000c01c06ab9$281172a0$7526480c@marleneb> Message-ID: <000b01c06ad0$093feca0$d425480c@j0r9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: rock phosphate Hello Mr. Miller, You sent this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer to your questions? By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search for rock phosphate. Daniel "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for Alkaline Soil Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net) Thu, 12 Dec 1996 05:54:48 +0000 I would like to hear from mail list readers about their thoughts and experience using phosphate rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil. Bone meal seems to be the most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in our area (Phoenix, AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are also sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to be available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now also more-frequently being recommended as a long-lasting, slow release phosphorus fertilizer. My question: is application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline desert soil appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention that either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have positive effects on plant growth if appled directly to acid soils. But it seems the low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it ineffective in our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an adverse effect by increasing pH? Olin Miller " Hi Daniel - I received the following replies from Dr. Tom Deorge at the U of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County Cooperative Extension: The messages are archived at http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html and at http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700 Olin, In reply to your questions on rock phosphate applications to Arizona soils, I would make the following comments: You are correct in noting that rock phosphate is so insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no value as a source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have too much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an "organic" source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal or high-phosphorus composts or manures should be used. Good luck, Tom Doerge" "Let us not forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline soils. The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral soils and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock phosphate in our area is availability. None of the garden stores carries it. And it is expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a gardener or oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some other locally available source. BYE TOM DEGOMEZ" From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 20 23:07:46 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:46 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Palm Tree, What size to buy Message-ID: <22.f84430b.277295c2@aol.com> Usually a 15 gallon tree will be the same size as a 24 inch box in about one year. As you mentioned the 15 gallon is much easier to plant because of its physical size. The planting hole should be only as deep as the height of the root ball, in fact it is preferred that the hole be an inch or two shallower than the root ball. The width of the planting hole should be a minimum of double the width of the root ball, preferred is 3 to 5 times wider. If you suspect caliche under the spot where you dig, after the hole is dug fill it with water, if it has not drained by the next morning you should select another spot or mechanically open up a drain hole. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 20 23:07:47 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Rye grass not looking the best Message-ID: <69.ec1ba8f.277295c3@aol.com> You are not alone in not being happy with the appearance of your rye grass. This season has not been the most favorable for growing rye grass. First we had a very narrow window in which to plant rye grass between the temperatures that were too hot and the temperatures that were too cold. Then the heavy rainfall in the latter part of October could have washed the seed away from some spots as it did on my turf. If you fertilized before the rain, in many areas the rain could have flushed the nutrients below the reach of the grass roots. If you have not fertilized yet with the proper fertilizer, that could be your problem. Your turf should be fertilized two to three weeks after the seedlings emerge, and then monthly. Because of the low soil temperatures now, amonium nitrate is faster acting and much preferred. Check out this website for info on watering turf: http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/WATER/lawnguid.html#LONG Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From millero@worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 21 04:28:20 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: rock phosphate References: <000c01c06ab9$281172a0$7526480c@marleneb> <000b01c06ad0$093feca0$d425480c@j0r9501> <000801c06b03$834e6200$2524480c@marleneb> Message-ID: <007101c06b07$a8d75000$c427480c@j0r9501> Dunno. I'm not knowledgeable about pigeons' digestive system but I expect rock grit would pass through unchanged. Adding it probably wouldn't help your soil but wouldn't be harmful either. -Olin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" To: "olin" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: rock phosphate > Olin, > Thanks, I think this answered my concerns also. I was going to have my > pigeons use rock phosphate for grit and, hopefully, result in a > high-phosphate manure for composting. However, I am starting to doubt that > the pigeon's digestive system and then the composting procedure will make > the phosphate soluble for my soil in Mesa, Az. > > What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your posting have an > idea? > Daniel From chexit2@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:17:27 2000 From: chexit2@aol.com (chexit2@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:17:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012210617.XAA21715@Ag.Arizona.Edu> we have a large mesquite tree. what is the best time to cut back? From floconnell@juno.com Thu Dec 21 19:50:35 2000 From: floconnell@juno.com (floconnell@juno.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:50:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012211950.MAA01837@Ag.Arizona.Edu> My palm trees are about 2ft high and they are turning a little brown on the end of the branches, am I giving them to much water or not enough. how often do I have to water them thank you From HRB85373@aol.com Thu Dec 21 20:12:22 2000 From: HRB85373@aol.com (HRB85373@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012212012.NAA05843@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Our oranges are quite small this year, about half of normal (Sun City) The first time in the 6 years we have lived here. However the tangelos are very nice in size. Both have received the same watering and fertilizing, etc. Any ideas as to why? From lyshogan@aol.com Thu Dec 21 20:24:09 2000 From: lyshogan@aol.com (lyshogan@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:24:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012212024.NAA08165@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a question about poisonous plants. I have heard that oleander and the thevicia tree are poisonous. I have several thevicia (may not be the correct spelling - I believe they are related to oleander and have yellow or apricot trumpted shaped flowers and also pods) trees in my yard and a new puppy who weighs 21 lbs currently. He will eventually grow to about 75 lbs. Can you give me any advice on how to keep my puppy safe from these trees? Is there anything known on the effects on small animals? Will he simply get sick if he eats the pods, leaves or flowers, or is it more serious than that? Thanks very much! From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:17 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:17 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Poisonous plants Message-ID: <28.ee2f804.2773fb89@aol.com> Oleanders and Thevetia are on the poisonous plant list. As for the effect on your puppy, we are not permitted to address that issue. I suggest that you contact your veterinarian. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:19 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:19 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Mesquite, pruning Message-ID: <35.e6ead06.2773fb8b@aol.com> The mesquite tree grows so fast that it is often necessary to prune it several times a year. It will be dormant or simi dormant for the next month or two and this would be the best time to prune. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:18 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:18 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Palm tree care Message-ID: For information on palm tree care please check out the following websites: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From dmBroek@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 01:07:27 2000 From: dmBroek@worldnet.att.net (Daniel & Marlene Broek) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pigeon droppings plus composting changes rock phosphate/ Message-ID: <003101c06bb3$8e147fc0$5a21480c@marleneb> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir, I know that pigeon manure is highly acidic (eats paint off automobiles) = and I'm wondering if you might know if rock phosphate could become = something more soluble for our arid Phoenix soil if it goes through the = digestive tracts of a pigeon and then added to the compost pile. What = might you think? Daniel Olin, Thanks, I think this answered my concerns also. I was going to have my pigeons use rock phosphate for grit and, hopefully, result in a high-phosphate manure for composting. However, I am starting to doubt = that the pigeon's digestive system and then the composting procedure will = make the phosphate soluble for my soil in Mesa, Az. What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your posting = have an idea? Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "olin" To: "Arid_Gardener List" ; "Daniel & = Marlene Broek" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: rock phosphate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM > Subject: rock phosphate > > > Hello Mr. Miller, > > You sent this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer = to your > questions? > By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search for rock = phosphate. > Daniel > > "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for Alkaline Soil > Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net) > Thu, 12 Dec 1996 05:54:48 +0000 > I would like to hear from mail list readers about their thoughts = and > experience using phosphate rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil. Bone > meal seems to be the most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in = our > area (Phoenix, AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are also > sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to be > available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now also more-frequently > being recommended as a long-lasting, slow release phosphorus = fertilizer. > My question: is application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline desert > soil appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil > Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention = that > either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have positive > effects on plant growth if applied directly to acid soils. But it = seems the > low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it = ineffective in > our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an adverse effect by > increasing pH? > Olin Miller " > > Hi Daniel - I received the following replies from Dr. Tom Deorge at = the U > of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County Cooperative > Extension: The messages are archived at > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html > and at > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html > > > "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700 > Olin, > In reply to your questions on rock phosphate applications to = Arizona > soils, > I would make the following comments: You are correct in noting that = rock > phosphate is so insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no value > as a source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have = too > much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an = "organic" > source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal or = high-phosphorus > composts or manures should be used. > Good luck, > Tom Doerge" > > "Let us not forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline > soils. > The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral = soils > and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock phosphate in = our > area is availability. None of the garden stores carries it. And it is > expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a gardener or > oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some other = locally > available source. BYE TOM DEGOMEZ" ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear sir,
I know that pigeon manure is highly acidic (eats = paint off=20 automobiles) and I'm wondering if you might know if rock phosphate could = become=20 something more soluble for our arid Phoenix soil if it goes through the=20 digestive tracts of a pigeon and then added to the compost pile. What = might you=20 think?
 
Daniel
 
Olin,
Thanks, I think this = answered my=20 concerns also. I was going to have my
pigeons use rock phosphate for = grit=20 and, hopefully, result in a
high-phosphate manure for composting. = However, I=20 am starting to doubt that
the pigeon's digestive system and then the=20 composting procedure will make
the phosphate soluble for my soil in = Mesa,=20 Az.

What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your = posting=20 have an
idea?
Daniel

----- Original Message -----
From: = "olin"=20 <millero@worldnet.att.net>
To:=20 "Arid_Gardener List" <arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu>; = "Daniel &=20 Marlene
Broek" <dmBroek@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 December 20, 2000 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: rock phosphate


> = -----=20 Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" = <dmBroek@worldnet.att.net>
> = To:=20 <millero@worldnet.att.net>
> = Sent:=20 Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM
> Subject: rock=20 phosphate
>
>
> Hello Mr. Miller,
>
> You = sent=20 this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer = to
your
>=20 questions?
> By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search = for rock=20 phosphate.
> Daniel
>
> "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for = Alkaline Soil
> Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net)
> = Thu, 12 Dec=20 1996 05:54:48 +0000
>     I would like to hear = from=20 mail list readers about their thoughts and
> experience using = phosphate=20 rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil.
Bone
> meal seems = to be the=20 most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in our
> area = (Phoenix,=20 AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are
also
>=20 sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to = be
>=20 available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now=20 also
more-frequently
> being recommended as a long-lasting, = slow=20 release phosphorus fertilizer.
>     My = question: is=20 application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline
desert
> soil = appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil
> = Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention = that
>=20 either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have = positive
>=20 effects on plant growth if applied directly to acid soils. But it seems=20 the
> low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it=20 ineffective in
> our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an = adverse=20 effect by
> increasing pH?
> Olin Miller <millero@worldnet.att.net>"
>
> Hi=20 Daniel - I received the following replies  from Dr. Tom Deorge at = the=20 U
> of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County=20 Cooperative
> Extension:  The messages are archived = at
>=20 http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html
> and at
> http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html
>
>
> "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700
>=20 Olin,
>     In reply to your questions on rock = phosphate applications to Arizona
> soils,
> I would make = the=20 following comments: You are correct in noting that rock
> = phosphate is so=20 insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no
value
> = as a=20 source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have = too
>=20 much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an=20 "organic"
> source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal = or=20 high-phosphorus
> composts or manures should be used.
> Good = luck,
> Tom Doerge"
>
>     "Let = us not=20 forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline
> = soils.
>=20 The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral=20 soils
> and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock = phosphate=20 in our
> area is availability. None of the garden stores carries = it. And=20 it is
> expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a = gardener=20 or
> oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some = other=20 locally
> available source. BYE TOM=20 DEGOMEZ"
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340-- From millero@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 02:49:04 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:49:04 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Puppies and Oleander References: <28.ee2f804.2773fb89@aol.com> Message-ID: <004301c06bc1$da1a7100$8a21480c@j0r9501> We had a puppy ingest Nerium Oleander many years ago and she was bleeding from both ends when we took her to the vet where she stayed under his care for 3 days.. Ever since, we keep our dogs away from Nerium Oleander. But our dogs have never eaten the Yellow Oleander (Thevetia) although it is also poisonous. -Olin From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:18:40 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Mesquite [Prosopis] References: <200012210617.XAA21715@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4532D0.762FB124@qwest.net> I generally prune my mesquites to shape in late February, early March, just as they begin to break dormancy. I have the two native mesquites, the smaller Screwbean and Arizona/Velvet mesquites. Both of these will sucker very heavily if you prune too much. My intention, when they were small, was to shape the structure. Now I am thinning the canopy a bit, particularly against prevailing wind. I sometimes have to prune the AZ if there has been alot of summer water and resulting growth, but this is to maintain form and ability to maneuver around it. This has been less of an issue with the screwbean, but because of its location near a walk and patio, it has needed a trim to keep the area 'safe' for pedestrians. If you feel that the tree goes wild in the summer and you have to prune too much, then you are watering too much. These natives need very little water, so save yourself the scratched arms and a trip to the landfill by being more judicious with this particular 'fertilizer'! Most of us will water only once or twice in the summer our native trees, once established. Just like they get from monsoon weather in the wild. The Ironwood Press has a wonderful book in the Johnson's Guide to Gardening series of Plants for the Arid West called Pruning, Planting and Care [by Eric Johnson]. It suggests February is the time to prune [again, I prefer to see what my weather is like] in all but one case, that of the Texas Honey mesquite, for which January is recommended. I mention this book because each mesquite is individually discussed, and you did not mention your specific variety. See if your library has a copy. Linda Guy Master Gardener chexit2@aol.com wrote: > we have a large mesquite tree. what is the best time to cut back? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:28:34 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:28:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palms References: <200012200329.UAA05832@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A453522.A8C37544@qwest.net> You've already received excellent advise from one of my colleagues in answer to your original question. The purpose of my little ditty is to let you know that queen palms are very elegant and add that tropical 'je ne sais quoi' to a yard, but they are not the most suitable palm for our climate and can be fussy unless well cared for. Hot dry winds are a particular problem. I am speaking both from experience and input from our ag agents and a former DBG employee. You might like to peruse our publication on palm trees, which includes the queenies and others, in the publications section of our website. I can't create a link for you within the text of this message because our server appears to be down at this time. I think that it is AZ 1021, and you would find in under Maricopa County publications, in the ornamentals section. There is a hyperlink there to the pub itself. Linda Guy Master Gardener MTCactiPi@aol.com wrote: > This question concerns the size of a palm to buy. I want to plant a queen palm in my yard in Tucson next spring. When is the best(earliest)time to plant in my area? Most nurserys in my area sell 15 gallon or 24" inch boxed plants. Which is the better one to plant? I am leaning toward the 15 gallon due to easier planting. Should the hole be deeper then the rootball and how much wider? I think I will start diging next week so I have plenty of time to dig as big of a hole as is necessary. Also, I live close to a large wash and on land where they used to grow cotton. I know there is lots of calleche down there! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:34:41 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:34:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] High Desert Plants References: <200012142209.PAA02704@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A453691.EE8A87CE@qwest.net> Judy Mielke's book Native Plants for SW Landscapes contains specific references to elevation. Also, have you investigated what Boyce Thompson might have? Being outside of Superior, their climate is a bit more elevated than in Phoenix. Linda Guy Master Gardener oegibson@west.raytheon.com wrote: > I live at 4000' (Arivaca)Southwest of Green Valley AZ. I am looking for a plant source much like the UNLV site that has high desert plants. > Thanks > Owen Gibson > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:44:02 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Subterranean Clover References: <200012142220.PAA05712@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4538C2.B4131C56@qwest.net> Someone wrote directly to me that a Dave Kopec at the UA would be the person for you to contact. Did you already get this lead? Linda Guy Master Gardener mfleming@thephxzoo.com wrote: > Can anyone tell me if subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum) is grown in Arizona and under what conditions? > We may use it inside our zoo exhibits. > It is generaly know as a cover crop or lawn alternative. > Thanks, > Sincerely, > Mark Fleming > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Beverlyfz@aol.com Sun Dec 24 17:16:53 2000 From: Beverlyfz@aol.com (Beverlyfz@aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:16:53 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wild Mesquite Message-ID: Boy - you hit the nail on the head there! My mesquite tree got a toe hold in my greenhouse raised beds and you should see how wild "wild" really is! It is now 14 feet across and the canopy is over the top. The roots are bountiful, even going under the bricks in my walkway. It was a pretty small tree then suddenly it went wild. I didn't know what happened for a little while until I wondered where all those tough roots were coming from. DUH!! I hate to cut it down, I only have a couple of trees here - it is inevitable though. Beverly From sophie@farmchina.com Tue Dec 26 09:26:41 2000 From: sophie@farmchina.com (Sophie Sun) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:26:41 +0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Membership Benefits Updated Message-ID: <200012260926.CAA04492@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Dear Sir or Madam, Wish you a Happy New Year! Thank you for your support. Farmchina.com is trying very best to provide more quality services at very competitive price. We are pleased to announce that we have just updated our membership benefit information on our website, and added very valuable benefit, such as ¡° Chinese company database ¡±; ¡° Finding China distributors ¡±. The information is now clearly outlined in a table that is linked to a short explanation for each member benefit, allowing you to conveniently review our services. 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B From gchimel@imap4.asu.edu Tue Dec 26 17:10:23 2000 From: gchimel@imap4.asu.edu (gchimel@imap4.asu.edu) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:10:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A Communist plot! On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 Beverlyfz@aol.com wrote: > What is this Farmchina? Did you sell our list? B > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From sjbass@uswest.net Tue Dec 26 22:16:34 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:16:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Farmchina message References: Message-ID: <3A4918C2.344E1F45@uswest.net> Beverly - I don't know how this got through without our approval first. I'll look into it, Meantime, thanks for the heads up and just delete it. Sue Bass List serve manager Beverlyfz@aol.com wrote: > What is this Farmchina? Did you sell our list? B > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Tue Dec 26 23:26:44 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Plants for Maricopa County References: <200012142019.NAA09253@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A492934.DA06F8@uswest.net> Sandi: I didn't she that you had received a response to your question. If you did, please excuse the repeat. I'd like to direct you to the Maricopa County Home Horticulture page at: http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/maricopa/garden/ At this site, you will find a wealth of information regarding gardening here in the low desert. If you click on the "publications" option, then choose "Maricopa County" you will find a list of publications, some of which you can view online (this will be highlighted) and others that you can order from the Cooperative Extension office. All information regarding ordering is on this page. Please browse around our web site. We have a Timely Tips sections which tells you what needs to be done and what can be planted each month of the year. The "Recommended Reading" section has a good list of books on plants suitable to our area. The section entitled "Plants" will take you to a page where you can view information on plants for Maricopa County Alphabetically by botanical name or common name. Photographs of the plants are included. This should get you started on your research. Sue Bass Master Gardener skiltech@chorus.net wrote: > I am moving to Phoenix and was wondering what type of plants, flowers and shurbs are good for this area. Any information would be of great help, since I am from the MidWest and I am sure plants are different in Arizona. > > Thanks for you help > Sandi > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From jimcn@gardener.com Wed Dec 27 13:05:57 2000 From: jimcn@gardener.com (jimcn@gardener.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:05:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271305.GAA16789@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Hi - I'm a Master Gardener in the Valley. How can I email my hours to the extension Or is it just fax only? Thanks. From User790795@aol.com Wed Dec 27 13:50:07 2000 From: User790795@aol.com (User790795@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:50:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271350.GAA18854@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Sir: Our mesquite trees look sick. Very few leaves. We have not fed them. what do they require. We have a watering sytem on them. Thank you. Betty C. Wilmot P.S. We live at Mt Brook in Gold Canyon in from of the mountains. Does this have any effect? From mbuksas@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 27 16:41:16 2000 From: mbuksas@worldnet.att.net (mbuksas@worldnet.att.net) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:41:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271641.JAA05801@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I want to plant two plum trees and an apricot tree, from a publication dated May 1986 the plum varieties listed are Santa Rosa, Beauty and Laroda. Is there a more recent list? I have room for two plum trees so I can get good pollination but which two should I plant to get flowers at the same time (Is that the key to good poolination?)? Where can I purchase the varieties (I live in Gilbert)? Is there a new list of Apricot varieties? Which one would be the best in a home garden? Would I also need two apricot trees? Where do I find the best varieties? Thanks for your help. From Bert.Bender@asu.edu Wed Dec 27 17:58:06 2000 From: Bert.Bender@asu.edu (Bert.Bender@asu.edu) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:58:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271758.KAA15677@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Two questions: 1. Sick looking Mondel Pine. My 20-yr old pine (originally a living Christmas tree in a pot) is about 40 ft. tall, but its needles are looking droopy, and three lower limbs have recently suddenly died. Whata should I do? 2. Sick looking grapefruit tree. My 20 year old pink grapefruit looks very thin and the fruit this year was small, though rather plentiful. I think I shocked it last spring by fertilizing it before giving it a good soaking. We have been giving it regualr deep waterings for the past few months. There are some new leaves but they look a little pale and yellow. What's up? Thanks for your time! Bert Bender From Kingsley28@home.com Wed Dec 27 18:15:42 2000 From: Kingsley28@home.com (Kingsley28@home.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:15:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271815.LAA18296@Ag.Arizona.Edu> How and when is the best time to graft citrus trees? From tami.rawlings@juno.com Wed Dec 27 18:26:48 2000 From: tami.rawlings@juno.com (tami.rawlings@juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:26:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271826.LAA19795@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I'd like to know what time of year is best to prune a fountain grass plant. I also need to find out what is the best method to prune it. Is this information available on this website? I've viewed several links and not been able to find this out yet. From tami.rawlings@juno.com Wed Dec 27 18:26:52 2000 From: tami.rawlings@juno.com (tami.rawlings@juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:26:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271826.LAA19805@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I'd like to know what time of year is best to prune a fountain grass plant. I also need to find out what is the best method to prune it. Is this information available on this website? I've viewed several links and not been able to find this out yet. From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:04:55 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Fountain Grass References: <200012271826.LAA19805@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4A3D57.5FF36FAC@uswest.net> Fountain grass (Pennisetum) can be cut back pretty severely in the winter. We cut ours back just before Thanksgiving and it is already growing new plumes and looking less scraggly. Here is a page I located with information on fountain grass http://www.plantadviser.com/plants/pennseta.shtml Sue Bass Master Gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:12:59 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Budding Citrus Trees References: <200012271815.LAA18296@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4A3F3B.B29349CC@uswest.net> Here is a publication on budding citrus that you can view on line: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1146.pdf Good luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Kingsley28@home.com wrote: > How and when is the best time to graft citrus trees? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:33:32 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:32 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mesquite losing leaves References: <200012271350.GAA18854@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4A440C.34E24B40@uswest.net> Betty: Most mesquites, with the exception of the Argentine Mesquite, are deciduous, losing their leaves until after the risk of frost has past. The Arizona Municipal Water Users Association recommends watering desert-adapted trees once every 30-60 days in the winter. Mesquites require very little care after their first year in the ground and many people believe it best to stop watering them altogether after their first year as they are desert trees and adapted to live on what little water the desert provides them. Here is a link to previous answer to a question on Mesquite care by fellow Master Gardener Linda Guy. It contains lots of good "food for thought" on caring for Mesquites, including information from Mary Irish, formerly of the Desert Botanical Garden. http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-March/003388.html Sue Bass Master Gardener User790795@aol.com wrote: > Sir: Our mesquite trees look sick. Very few leaves. We have not fed them. what do they require. We have a watering sytem on them. Thank you. Betty C. Wilmot P.S. We live at Mt Brook in Gold Canyon in from of the mountains. Does this have any effect? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From jns804@qwest.net Wed Dec 27 22:36:36 2000 From: jns804@qwest.net (jns804@qwest.net) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:36:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012272236.PAA23645@Ag.Arizona.Edu> When should orange trees be fertilized? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 27 23:29:42 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:29:42 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Sick trees Message-ID: Bert, We've had a long hot summer and inadequate irrigation can cause lots of problems for your trees and plants. It is normal for the bottom branches to die on mature pines. Pine blight often caused by radical weather changes can make the pine look sickly, and since it is physiological will not be life threatning provided the tree is getting proper care. You didn't give enough specifics about watering your citrus tree such as how long between waterings, method of watering and how much water was applied in summer. Did you fertilize more than once and how much ? It is normal for citrus leaves to yellow in the winter. It is also normal for citrus to have alternate good and bad years. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From tunenmel@aol.com Wed Dec 27 23:40:50 2000 From: tunenmel@aol.com (tunenmel@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:40:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012272340.QAA02099@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a variety of shrubs and trees and need to know what type of pruning is needed and when. I have a Chinese evergreen elm, sweet acacia and Brazillian pepper tree. I also have Texas sage and dwarf oleander. What care do they need this time of year? Any advice is appreciated.I live in Chandler. From b.graham2@home.com Thu Dec 28 04:18:46 2000 From: b.graham2@home.com (b.graham2@home.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:18:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012280418.VAA01595@Ag.Arizona.Edu> When is the best time to prune/shape citrus trees ? I have lemon,orange and grapefruit trees(7 in all). They are now bearing lots of fruit and this does not seem to be a good time ! When is ? Also (if I'm allowed another Q ), we have a large(20-25')very bushy grapefruit tree (drip line about 15' in diameter ) that is lucky to give us 2 or 3 small fruit. I fertilize 3 times a year,etc. Problems ? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 15:30:56 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:30:56 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fertilizing Citrus References: <200012272236.PAA23645@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B5CB0.C864B4C9@uswest.net> Citrus should be fertilized three times a year beginning in February or March, then April or May and finally in July or August. Sue Bass Master Gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 28 16:11:47 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Reference Material-Various Ornamentals References: <200012071645.JAA08018@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B6643.B2F7C4E9@qwest.net> The easiest and very comprehensive source of information for these ornamentals would be the Sunset Western Garden Book, carried in virtually every public library. Linda Guy Master Gardener amandaset@aol.com wrote: > If you have any information you could send to me regarding the following plants: > Poverty bush > Mexican Heather > Pink Verbena > Royal Robe bush > Salvia greggi sage > Thank you, Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From thulsey@phelpsdodge.com Thu Dec 28 16:33:38 2000 From: thulsey@phelpsdodge.com (thulsey@phelpsdodge.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:33:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012281633.JAA04273@Ag.Arizona.Edu> We are having a home built currently in Peoria. The lot that we have is backed up to a busy street, and I am looking for sound barrier options. I would like to have trees with leaves, not the needle type. Our yard is not going to be too big, and we are planning on a pool. I would like to incorporate a 2 to 3 fruit trees into the barrier. From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 17:29:00 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] [Fwd: [Fwd: e-mailing time cards]] Message-ID: <3A4B785C.21DD7AC4@uswest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding this to the list in case any other MG's out there need to know to whom they should e-mail volunteer hours. Sue Bass --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A4B74D1.FF55513F@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:13:53 -0700 From: Sue Bass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimcn@gardener.com Subject: [Fwd: e-mailing time cards] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding the response I received from Kathleen Peterson about e-mailing time cards. Sue Bass --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: sjbass@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 15944 invoked by uid 0); 28 Dec 2000 17:10:10 -0000 Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 17:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90744 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0000 Received: from mail.mailstart.com (207.231.76.67) by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0000 Received: from silver [207.231.76.50] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3EF689400F2; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:10:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:10:09 -0800 Message-Id: <281200363.33008@24.177.222.15> From: kpetersn@ag.arizona.edu To: sjbass@uswest.net Subject: RE: e-mailing time cards Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Sue, You can e-mail them to me. Just put the date, activity, code (if you know it) and number of hours. I will print out the e-mails and put them in the hours box when I get them. Happy holidays! Kathleen --- Original Message --- Sue Bass Wrote on Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:38:52 -0700 ------------------ Hello Kathleen! Happy holidays! a question came in on how to e-mail MG time cards in. I don't have an answer for that. Is there someone in particular our time is e-mailed to? Thanks! Sue ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316-- --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B-- From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 17:36:47 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:36:47 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Landscape Choices for Backyard with Pool Planned References: <200012281633.JAA04273@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B7A2F.D5829634@uswest.net> I'd like to direct you to our list of publications. Go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Under Ornamentals you will find many publications that will be helpful to you in choosing plant material for your backyard, including trees. The publications that are underlined are viewable on line. Just click on the title and you will see the PDF file. Of particular interest to you may be the publication entitled, "Plants for Poolside Landscapes". It is also viewable online. Good Luck! Sue Bass thulsey@phelpsdodge.com wrote: > We are having a home built currently in Peoria. The lot that we have is backed up to a busy street, and I am looking for sound barrier options. I would like to have trees with leaves, not the needle type. Our yard is not going to be too big, and we are planning on a pool. I would like to incorporate a 2 to 3 fruit trees into the barrier. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From fmc@phoenixdsl.com Thu Dec 28 19:10:31 2000 From: fmc@phoenixdsl.com (fmc@phoenixdsl.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:10:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012281910.MAA25529@Ag.Arizona.Edu> CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 20:01:30 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:01:30 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting iris and other bulbs References: <200012281910.MAA25529@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B9C1A.A99229C1@uswest.net> It is too late to plan iris in the ground right now but they can be planted in containers. I'd like to direct you to a response to a similar question in our archives, it has information I think you will find useful. To view it please go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/2347.html Other bulb type plants that can be planted now are canna, crinum, gladiolus can be planted from October 15-December 30, Tulips - Nov thru Dec. There is an older publication put out by the Cooperative Extension called Bulbs for Southern Arizona. It is publication Q382. You can contact the Extension office to see if it is still available or you can visit your local library branch and ask the librarian for the binder 635 in general reference. The name of the binder is Horticulture Publications I believe. You should be able to make a copy of there. It should include a bulb-planting outline giving the planting dates and bloom times for bulbs. Good Luck, Sue Bass fmc@phoenixdsl.com wrote: > CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Hymeto@yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 20:24:12 2000 From: Hymeto@yahoo.com (Hymeto@yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:24:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012282024.NAA04041@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Is there any place where Milk Weed seeds can be purchased in Arizona? Will/does Milk weed grow in Arizona? We will be planting a Butterfly Bush this year and we will need to also plant a host plant near by. Any suggestions other than Milk weed? Thank you From cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu Thu Dec 28 20:45:10 2000 From: cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu (cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012282045.NAA06867@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I work in the Graham County office and one of the master gardeners asked what is a Master Gardener volunteer profile form? can you help me with this question? Phone# 520-428-2611 FAx# 520-428-7023 Thanks Cindy From hrivera@phxhs.k12.az.us Thu Dec 28 21:27:54 2000 From: hrivera@phxhs.k12.az.us (hrivera@phxhs.k12.az.us) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:27:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012282127.OAA12199@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I've read about AMAZOY Zoysia Grass. They state that this grass makes grass seed obsolete. Is this true? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 21:48:34 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Desert Milkweed and other butterfly plants References: <200012282024.NAA04041@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4BB532.5CA75C0E@uswest.net> Desert Milkweed is native to our area. A few places that come to mind that might have the plants are The Desert Botanical Garden or Boyce Thompson Arboretum. Both have a plant shop and they also will be having their next big plant sales in the spring. You may want to call around to some of the other nurseries also. A good source of information on plants that attract butterflies, including information on which plants are for butterfly larvae and which plants are for adult butterflies, is the Sunset Western Garden book. It is carried by most nurseries and home center stores such as Home Depot. It should also be available at your local library branch. The information can be found on pages 82-85 in the 40th anniversary edition. A few examples of plants in the annuals, perennials and grasses category that would provide food for butterfly larvae are hollyhocks, asters, asclepias (milkweeds), common fennel, geum, sunflower and penstemon to name a few. Sue Bass Master Gardener Hymeto@yahoo.com wrote: > Is there any place where Milk Weed seeds can be purchased in Arizona? Will/does Milk weed grow in Arizona? We will be planting a Butterfly Bush this year and we will need to also plant a host plant near by. Any suggestions other than Milk weed? Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 21:49:51 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:49:51 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Master Gardener Volunteer Profile Form Message-ID: <3A4BB57F.C8D24DDB@uswest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BE59D829E5AC81FA07563201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen, can you answer this question? Thanks! Sue --------------BE59D829E5AC81FA07563201 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: sjbass@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 85879 invoked by uid 0); 28 Dec 2000 20:46:19 -0000 Received: from mail8.uswest.net (204.147.80.26) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:46:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 99329 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 20:46:17 -0000 Received: from ag.arizona.edu (128.196.42.70) by mail8.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:46:17 -0000 Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06968; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ag.arizona.edu (Ag.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.70]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06867 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 -0700 (MST) Errors-To: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012282045.NAA06867@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From: cpearson@Ag.Arizona.Edu Sender: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Originating-URL: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/question.htm Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page X-BeenThere: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Gardening and Landscaping in Dry Climates X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 I work in the Graham County office and one of the master gardeners asked what is a Master Gardener volunteer profile form? can you help me with this question? Phone# 520-428-2611 FAx# 520-428-7023 Thanks Cindy _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener --------------BE59D829E5AC81FA07563201-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 28 22:43:49 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:43:49 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Tree care Message-ID: <96.e11be06.277d1c25@aol.com> The Master Gardener Manual has a chapter titled Arborculture which has excellent info on care and pruning of trees and available on line at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/pruning.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 28 22:43:47 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:43:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Pruning citrus Message-ID: Time to prune citrus is after the danger of frost is past. Prune only to remove dead wood and to keep with in bounds, bearing in mind that you should not remove more than 15% at one time. With each cut made on any tree or plant the food manufacturing capabilities are reduced. The first thing that I would check to find out why the mature citrus is not bearing fruit is to make sure that the tree is getting adequate irrigation. U of A Cooperative Extension bulletin MC 17 shows that a 15 foot diameter Grapefruit tree in July and August will require approximately 25 gallons a day, if watered once a week that would be 175 gallons of water. There are a number of possibilities, I would suggest that you obtain from the U of A Cooperative Extension, 4341 E Broadway, Phoenix 85040 bulletin 8464, CITRUS TREES IN THE HOME GARDEN AVAILABLE FOR $1.00. This bulletin describes care of citrus and disease possibilities. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From nealkeilitz@msn.com Fri Dec 29 03:12:41 2000 From: nealkeilitz@msn.com (nealkeilitz@msn.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:12:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012290312.UAA22568@Ag.Arizona.Edu> how do you propagate oleander? From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 29 03:35:55 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Propagating Oleander References: <200012290312.UAA22568@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4C069B.1663676C@uswest.net> You can propagate oleander from cuttings. You can visit the following page in the on-line Master Gardener Manual for information on how to accomplish this. Go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html Sue Bass Master Gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 29 23:07:37 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:07:37 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting iris and other bulbs References: <3A4B9C1A.A99229C1@uswest.net> <3A4D161A.3F3D9D57@email.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: <3A4D1938.DB3FB189@uswest.net> Hi Alan! I was just going by the guidelines set by the University of Arizona in the publication on bulbs. I don't know why they couldn't be planted now. Maybe someone else on the list can comment on whether there is a risk in planting them now? Any of you MG's out there care to comment? Sue Alan Zelhart wrote: > Sue, > > I've planted Iris bulbs this time of year, which are discounted at home > depot, and have had no problem with them coming up, or blooming...although I > think I have had a couple that did not bloom till the 2nd year. Why is it > they cannot be planted this time of year. I'm curious :) > > Alan > > Sue Bass wrote: > > > It is too late to plan iris in the ground right now but they can be > > planted in containers. I'd like to direct you to a response to a > > similar question in our archives, it has information I think you will > > find useful. To view it please go to: > > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/2347.html > > > > Other bulb type plants that can be planted now are canna, crinum, > > gladiolus can be planted from October 15-December 30, Tulips - Nov thru > > Dec. > > > > There is an older publication put out by the Cooperative Extension > > called Bulbs for Southern Arizona. It is publication Q382. You can > > contact the Extension office to see if it is still available or you can > > visit your local library branch and ask the librarian for the binder 635 > > in general reference. The name of the binder is Horticulture > > Publications I believe. You should be able to make a copy of there. It > > should include a bulb-planting outline giving the planting dates and > > bloom times for bulbs. > > > > Good Luck, > > Sue Bass > > > > fmc@phoenixdsl.com wrote: > > > > > CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From millero@worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 30 02:22:41 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting iris and other bulbs References: <3A4B9C1A.A99229C1@uswest.net> <3A4D161A.3F3D9D57@email.sps.mot.com> <3A4D1938.DB3FB189@uswest.net> Message-ID: <001301c07207$650c0d00$de20480c@j0r9501> According to Bert Konzal, the bulb expert in our garden club, bulbs planted now will probably bloom but the flower will appear a bit late and be short-lived because the hot weather will burn the late blooms. With late planting, afternoon shade will help extend the life of the late blooms. Follow his instructions for setting out amaryllis after Christmas (to be in our Jan 2001 newsletter): "When planting, be sure to add 3 to 4 inches of compost or other organic matter to the soil to improve drainage and add bonemeal or super phosphate to enrich the soil. Set the bulb and its roots into the soil, so that the upper half of the bulb will be above the soil surface. Firm the soil around the bulb, water well. Keep the soil moist and fertilize to encourage leaf growth. When the leaves turn yellow in September, withhold the water so the soil will dry out. Decision time. If you wish you can pot the bulb as outlined above [in the article] or you can leave the bulb in the ground and it will bloom in the Spring in your garden. Do not water too often, keep soil moist but not wet. Too much water will rot the roots. Fertilize to encourage leaf growth." Olin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Bass" > Hi Alan! > I was just going by the guidelines set by the University of Arizona in the > publication on bulbs. > I don't know why they couldn't be planted now. > Maybe someone else on the list can comment on whether there is a risk in > planting them now? > Any of you MG's out there care to comment? > Sue > > Alan Zelhart wrote: > > > Sue, > > > > I've planted Iris bulbs this time of year, which are discounted at home > > depot, and have had no problem with them coming up, or blooming...although I > > think I have had a couple that did not bloom till the 2nd year. Why is it > > they cannot be planted this time of year. I'm curious :) > > > > Alan > > > > Sue Bass wrote: > > > > > It is too late to plan iris in the ground right now but they can be > > > planted in containers. I'd like to direct you to a response to a > > > similar question in our archives, it has information I think you will > > > find useful. To view it please go to: > > > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/2347.html > > > > > > Other bulb type plants that can be planted now are canna, crinum, > > > gladiolus can be planted from October 15-December 30, Tulips - Nov thru > > > Dec. > > > > > > There is an older publication put out by the Cooperative Extension > > > called Bulbs for Southern Arizona. It is publication Q382. You can > > > contact the Extension office to see if it is still available or you can > > > visit your local library branch and ask the librarian for the binder 635 > > > in general reference. The name of the binder is Horticulture > > > Publications I believe. You should be able to make a copy of there. It > > > should include a bulb-planting outline giving the planting dates and > > > bloom times for bulbs. > > > > > > Good Luck, > > > Sue Bass > > > > > > fmc@phoenixdsl.com wrote: > > > > > > > CAN IRIS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TUBER & BULB PLANTS BE PLANTED NOW ? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From MTCactiPi@aol.com Sat Dec 30 07:01:34 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:01:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012300701.AAA17619@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I live in Tucson and want to plant some tropical hibiscus bushes next spring. Can these bushes take full sun during the summer monthes? Also, how often must an established plant be watered? Are there any varieties that have done well in Arizona? Any help would be appreciated! From umiller@azdps.com Sat Dec 30 13:15:55 2000 From: umiller@azdps.com (Ursula Miller) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:15:55 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Hibiscus In-Reply-To: <200012300701.AAA17619@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: I live in Peoria and have an adult hibiscus up against my garage where it gets full afternoon sun and am growing new ones in other areas of the property, too, as well as in pots on the patio. All are they're doing well. I've found that these plants are very happy out here. I have all different kinds and varieties. They like a fair amount of water. In the summer I water them every other morning for about 1-1/2 hours on a dripper. In the winter I cut back on the watering a lot. They like acidic soil so you have to give them a shot of Miracid every once in a while when the leaves begin to yellow. You can go to this site and type in hibiscus and see other discussions on the plant http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/ Ursula Miller -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of MTCactiPi@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:02 AM To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page I live in Tucson and want to plant some tropical hibiscus bushes next spring. Can these bushes take full sun during the summer monthes? Also, how often must an established plant be watered? Are there any varieties that have done well in Arizona? Any help would be appreciated! _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 22:56:48 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palms/Hibiscus References: <86.4b5e6c0.2776a998@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A4E6830.ECF35341@qwest.net> Wow, what a mess I have in my inbasket. Can't turn my back for this long! Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. By now you've probably read all about your queen palms in our publication. http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf You know that they are susceptible to high or hot winds, chlorosis, manganese deficiencies, nematodes, mites, and various rots. But the publication will go along way to helping you keep your specimen healthy. It's also cold sensitive and recommended below 2500 feet. Perhaps that's why your neighbor has such success with his, the reflective heat helps in the winter. Talk to him about what works so well in his yard. Most nurseries carry fertilizers specially formulated for palm tree needs. As to your more recent hibiscus query, some fun websites might be http://www.hiddenvalleyhibiscus.com/pages/color.htm http://www.hiddenvalleyhibiscus.com/pages/feeding.htm Linda Guy MTCactiPi@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for your advice. I am fairly new to Arizona and am still learning > about all the new plants-I am a Chicago native. My neighbor has a beautifull > queen in his back yard. Its huge! And it is in an area that receives > reflective heat off of a south wall and heat from flagstone patio-barbaric in > the summer. Our weather in Tucson is slightly milder then yours-more rain > and cooler summer temps. Maybee that is why they are more successful down > here. How fast have you experienced them grow? It seems like his was > consistantly pushing up new growth. Well have a great holiday-enjoy our > great weather! From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 23:20:52 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:20:52 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Have you seen these? References: <7b.d34b2c9.27619bb0@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A4E6DD4.93A51606@qwest.net> The plant you described could indeed be a variety of cassia or perhaps brittlebush. There is a plant guide in locally-based eLandscape http://www.elandscape.com/lvl/index.html where you can review pictures and decide for yourself! Linda Jdymndol@aol.com wrote: > Hi Linda > You were nice enough to write me about my palo verde "pup" which was > transplanted. (It still has a green trunk and brown branches, no change) I > have been trying to find out what type of plant I have seeing and the > nurseries can only "guess" that it is a type of cassia. These "shrubs" appear > to be perfectly round and very dense. At this time of year they look like > yellow pompoms. They are quite small but I have seen them as older plants > where they look like multiple "bunches" The flowers are just now beginning to > fade alittle. They are used a lot in median strips and if you are familiar > the property Winfield they are planted everywhere there. They must be slow > growing as I see so many small ones (1x1 foot) Do you have any idea of what > these might be ? I thought they would be great in our yard. > Also I have a large trumpet vine and it's leaves are turning yellow. Too much > water or too little? As always thanks for your time. Judi Diamond From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 23:24:57 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Orange Seedling/Oregano References: <200012182310.QAA21824@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4E6EC9.7F62246C@qwest.net> I'm no good on climate in Germany, but if I had to take a stab, I'd say that both plants which thrive in heat, succumbed to a colder locale than they prefer. The oregano probably showed its signs of restoration in summer, no? The temporary loss could have been its cold-sensitivity. I'd say that the orange would probably be suffering similarly. We have to watch for damage here in the desert where our daytime temps reach 70F in the winter! Just for fun, you can look through our publications, but remember, they're geared for a low elevation desert. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#Citrus Linda Guy Master Gardener Phoenix, Arizona, USA arne@citde.net wrote: > I brought a calamondin orange seedling from Florida to Germany. > It was packed in a sealed bag to supposedly withstand traveling. > > When I unpacked it several leaves had browned and fallen off and > I put it in a large pot with regular potting soil. I made a hole > in the potting soil, sprinkled it with "rooting compound", a powder > made from seaweed that is supposedly good for root growth and > covered it up. Then I watered the plant from the top as was > described in the instructions. > > In the following days the branches browned further from the top > down. The instructions said to water again when the top soil got > completely dry which was after about a week. I watered again. > > Now another week later everything is brown (it was dark green > before). Is the plant dead or is there any likelihood that > something is still alive? What should I do? > > I have had an oregano plant that although completely brown > on top came out again after several months. > > Thank you for any help you can provide, > -- > Arne Ludwig > Hamburg, Germany > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 30 23:28:29 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Transplanting Med Fan Palm Pups References: <200012191711.KAA10337@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4E6F9C.7E996255@qwest.net> Palms do best when planted in warm weather, so you'll need to wait until about second quarter 2001. Check out our palm publication at http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf The first 7-8 pages discuss planting, care, pruning, etc. Your palm is discussed on p. 13. Linda Guy Master Gardener RAYCOOL@ATT.NET wrote: > can & If I can how do I transplant Mediterranean Fan Palm off-shoots (babies) > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Bdavis1699@aol.com Sun Dec 31 19:44:32 2000 From: Bdavis1699@aol.com (Bdavis1699@aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:44:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012311944.MAA00939@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Do gophers eat rosebushes. I just bought three rosebushes and I dont know if the gophers will eat them or what I can do to prevent it. We have a lot of gophers where I live and I dont want to plant them in the ground if they will eat them. Do marigolds help with this? From prshoup@home.com Sun Dec 31 20:11:00 2000 From: prshoup@home.com (prshoup@home.com) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:11:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012312011.NAA04564@Ag.Arizona.Edu> What are the best kind(s) of tomato plants to plant in Phoenix? From sjbass@uswest.net Sun Dec 31 20:46:45 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:46:45 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tomato Varieties References: <200012312011.NAA04564@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4F9B35.5D68BFA2@uswest.net> I'd like to refer you to an earlier response by Master Gardener Linda Guy to a similar question in our archives. Please visit: http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-February/003181.html Sue Bass Master Gardener prshoup@home.com wrote: > What are the best kind(s) of tomato plants to plant in Phoenix? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From mwinaz@home.com Sun Dec 31 21:11:27 2000 From: mwinaz@home.com (mwinaz@home.com) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:11:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012312111.OAA10692@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have two Agave's. one of them has already shot up a tall stalk and the other one kind of turned black in the center and looks like it's dying. the other one with the tall stalk even looks like it's about to bloom. I think I did everything exactly the same when transplanting. What went wrong. Thank you for your time. Mark Worthington From sjbass@uswest.net Sun Dec 31 21:19:38 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:19:38 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Gophers References: <200012311944.MAA00939@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4FA2EA.FF4EF099@uswest.net> We have a publication called "The Pocket Gopher in Arizona", publication #Q403. You can find it at most library branches. It is in binder 635 General Reference and the title of the binder is Horticulture Publications. You can also order it from the Cooperative Extension. To view information on ordering publications, go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm According to this publication, gophers prefer tubers, bulbs, and the roots of weeds and shrubs. There is no mention of marigolds deterring them. The publication does state that the "gopher plant" (Euphorbia lathyris) is suspected of being toxic to gophers. It further states that it grows in Sonoita, Santa Cruz County, (where it was introduced to repel rodents in an orchard), and in the Tucson area of Pima County. It is not a proven method of control, however. If you are having a problem with gophers on your property, you might try a method that has been successful for a fellow Master Gardener. He uses highway flares. You can view his response to a question on how to control gophers at: http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/4117.html You can also view other gopher remedies in our archives by typing "Gophers" in the subject line. Sue Bass Master Gardener http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-February/003181.html Bdavis1699@aol.com wrote: > Do gophers eat rosebushes. I just bought three rosebushes and I dont know if the gophers will eat them or what I can do to prevent it. We have a lot of gophers where I live and I dont want to plant them in the ground if they will eat them. Do marigolds help with this? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 1 15:49:12 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:49:12 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Planting rye grass Message-ID: <2d.44a4b95.27592278@aol.com> The window for planting rye grass is quite narrow, usually from Oct 15 to Nov 15. This year it was even narrower because of the early cold weather. The soil temperature needs to be at least 63 degrees F in order for the seed to sprout. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From mbuksas@worldnet.at.net Fri Dec 1 16:50:38 2000 From: mbuksas@worldnet.at.net (mbuksas@worldnet.at.net) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:50:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012011650.JAA27498@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I see Elderica and Aleppo pine trees in 5 gal pots for sale right now. Are these pines suitable for growing in the Phoenix area? Is one better that the other? Can they be kept as Christmas trees indoors - if they can be inside the house with decorations, for how long? When should they be planted in the ground? Thanks for your help. From bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Fri Dec 1 20:46:39 2000 From: bmaynard@woodrodgers.com (bmaynard@woodrodgers.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... thank you for your help bill From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 1 22:21:28 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:21:28 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Pine trees that do well in the low desert Message-ID: <9b.d8087e2.27597e68@aol.com> Hi Mary, both the Aleppo and the Elderica pine do well in the low desert in fact most of the pines that you see around the valley are one or the other. They will do fine inside for Christmas, just be sure that they have adequate water. As soon as the holidays are over will be a good time to plant the tree. As a landscape maintenance supervisor for a church in Mesa, I have sucessfully planted several pines that have been donated after Christmas. My preferance of the two trees is the Elderica because its shape is more pyramidal than the Alleppo. Enjoy your holidays. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From saz621@primenet.com Fri Dec 1 22:37:41 2000 From: saz621@primenet.com (Mary Irish) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:37:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: pines References: <200012011650.JAA27498@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A282832.4DE31D10@primenet.com> Both pines are very suitable for growing outdoors here, they are the two most common pines in the area. But beward, they get big, very big. At maturity Aleppo will be about 50 ft tall and spread about that much, Eldarica isn't much smaller but not quite as wide. If you want it for a Christmas tree it will be fine in the house for about 10 days. Be sure to keep it very well watered and with as much light as you can manage. You can plant them anytime you like during the cool weather. Mary Irish mbuksas@worldnet.at.net wrote: > I see Elderica and Aleppo pine trees in 5 gal pots for sale right now. Are these pines suitable for growing in the Phoenix area? Is one better that the other? Can they be kept as Christmas trees indoors - if they can be inside the house with decorations, for how long? When should they be planted in the ground? Thanks for your help. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From pleshowitz@hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 23:18:40 2000 From: pleshowitz@hotmail.com (pleshowitz@hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:18:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012012318.QAA02795@Ag.Arizona.Edu> My texas rangers seem to be distressed with the majority of the leaves turning yellow. The only leaves having a greenish/gray color are at the topmost portion of each branch. We have a drip irrigation system and water each plant for two hours every five days. Thanks for any help you can provide From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Dec 2 21:09:32 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:09:32 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Yellow leaves on Texas Ranger Message-ID: <90.cdd9bef.275abf0c@aol.com> The Texas Ranger is quite drought tolerant and does not require a lot of water. The yellow leaves are caused by overwatering. This time of year watering once every three to four weeks is adequate. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Dec 2 21:53:46 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:53:46 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Leaf drop on Ficus tree Message-ID: If your tree is a Ficus benjamina it is prone to periodic leaf drop and especially with changes in weather conditions such as we have had recently. The Ficus nitida could also have some leaf drop with radical temperature changes. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From cmcalmond@home.com Sun Dec 3 21:11:11 2000 From: cmcalmond@home.com (cmcalmond@home.com) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:11:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012032111.OAA17048@Ag.Arizona.Edu> my queen palm stems are bending straigt down when they come out the top. From SorensenM@aol.com Mon Dec 4 04:21:49 2000 From: SorensenM@aol.com (SorensenM@aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:21:49 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Remove me from the mailing list Message-ID: <9b.d989e7b.275c75dd@aol.com> From gmoondoggie@uswest.net Mon Dec 4 15:42:11 2000 From: gmoondoggie@uswest.net (gmoondoggie@uswest.net) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:42:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012041542.IAA27054@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I just planted a 24" box Guava tree what care to you suggest. I live in south Scottsdale. Thank you! From sjbass@uswest.net Mon Dec 4 17:04:40 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Poinsettias Message-ID: <3A2BCEA8.3A42A396@uswest.net> Seasons Greetings! I'd like a share a very nice web page on Poinsettias put out by the University of Illinois Extension. You can visit it at: http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/poinsettia/ The site contains such information as History and Legend, Poinsettia Facts, Poinsettia Care, and more. Of particular interest to me was the fact that Poinsettia are not poisonous as we have all been led to believe over the years. An Ohio State University study is sited in the Poinsettia Facts section. Enjoy! Sue Bass Master Gardener From mblock@Ag.Arizona.Edu Mon Dec 4 17:36:33 2000 From: mblock@Ag.Arizona.Edu (Marikelly Block) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fwd: hey i have some questions Message-ID: <200012041732.KAA21760@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Could someone on the listserv help this student out with these questions? Send me a carbon copy of your response if you are able to help out. Thanks Kelly >From: Harleygrl20@aol.com >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:28:29 EST >Subject: hey i have some questions >To: ceweb@Ag.Arizona.Edu >X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 110 > > Hi , Im working on my science fair project and i have to to interview a >expert, i was wondering if someone could answer a few questions for me? I >got information from AZ Master Gardener Manual. My problem question is , >which plants absorb dye better? (im not sure on the exact wordding.) > >1.) How do plants eat? > >2.)What part of the stem ,roots do plants use to absord things? > >3.) Do all plants use the same parts of the stem and roots to absorb things? > >4.) why do only certian flowers change color when you put them in coloerd >water? > >5.) if i use food coloring how long do you think it would take for the plants >to change color? > **************************** Marikelly Block Applications Systems Analyst Senior Cooperative Extension University of Arizona 301 Forbes Bldg. Tucson, AZ 85721 520-626-9174 mblock@ag.arizona.edu From crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu Mon Dec 4 19:36:01 2000 From: crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu (crymer@Ag.Arizona.Edu) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012041936.MAA18821@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com Mon Dec 4 23:24:22 2000 From: kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com (kristen.rodriguez@infocus.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012042324.QAA08550@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a fruit cocktail citrus tree that is 3-5 years old. This was the first year it produced fruit (oranges). I watered the tree thoroughly & fertilized it four times per year. I just tasted one oranges off the tree and it tastes "okay." I expected it to be much sweeter & juicer than store purchased oranges, but it's not. Any suggestions or reasons why? Thank you. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Mon Dec 4 23:59:12 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:59:12 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Queen Palm fronds hanging down vertically Message-ID: <82.3bd2a5c.275d89d0@aol.com> A strong wind will sometimes bend the palm fronds over so that they hang vertically. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 5 00:11:41 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:11:41 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Oranges not sweet Message-ID: The longer citrus stays on the tree the sweeter they get. I usually do not pick many oranges until January or February or later. The fruit will be good until late spring. If the variety is valentia, it does not ripen until February. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Tue Dec 5 02:42:36 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] "Pink Plants" References: <200011281817.LAA20421@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2C561C.D18355DF@qwest.net> I don't have a clue what these plants are, but permit me to share a similar question I had on our drive south to Douglas for Thanksgiving. There were a number of dark pink hued bushes all along I-10, about the same size you mention. Fields and fields of glorious, cold-induced color. Turns out they were all frost-bitten tumbleweeds, a true problem plant in our state. Could this be what you are witnessing? They're much more acceptable in their autumnal foliage, in my opinion! Linda Guy Master Gardener edieweber1@hotmail.com wrote: > I would like to know the name of the pink plants that have sprung up in disturbed soil around Fountain Hills and the Ft. McDowell reservation. They seem to grow to about a foot tall and each branch is covered with tiny pink and maroon flowers. There are prickers all over the branch, and the flowers seem to grow out of the prickers. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Tue Dec 5 02:48:30 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 19:48:30 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flower Selection References: <200011161226.FAA22987@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2C577E.E6143115@qwest.net> A good place to start for information on annuals is one of our online publications, AZ 1100 Flower and Bedding Plant Guide for the low desert. Write us again if you have more specific questions after perusing this. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#Flowers Linda Guy Master Gardener Bat4@msn.com wrote: > My house faces East and West. During this > time of the year a lot of they areas I would > like to plant flowers has early morning sun > but mostly shade. Are there any flowers that > do well with mostly shade and what are they? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From cenalmor@yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 14:25:18 2000 From: cenalmor@yahoo.com (cenalmor@yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:25:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012051425.HAA03601@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia millii) that I got about 3 months ago as a gift. I have never found too much info on how to care for this plant, but I had it inside and it did alright for a while, it even bloomed. For the last 3-4 weeks, leaves have first slowly turn yellow and dropped, and now, at a very fast speed, I loose about 3-4 leaves a day. This morning there were only 3 semi-live leaves on it. I have tried putting it next to a brighter window, since I thought with the shorter days it may not be getting enough light. Also I have cut back in watering as with all of my other plants. The leaves seem to be turning yellow with brown hard dots everywhere. I don't know if it's just bad care on my part or if it actually has a problem. Can anybody help me? I haven't been able to find much information internet. Thank you, Barbara From saz621@primenet.com Tue Dec 5 15:30:46 2000 From: saz621@primenet.com (Mary Irish) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:30:46 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Crown of Thorns References: <200012051425.HAA03601@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2D0A25.73C1268F@primenet.com> Barbara, Your crown of thorns is probably not in trouble. This euphorbia grows best in very strong light and grows most when it is warmer than it is now. Its response to low light, drought, or cool temperatures is to drop all its leaves. This is not a problem, and the cutting back on watering was an excellent thing to do when it is in this state. Most will set a new flush of leaves either by putting them in stronger light or certainly when the weather warms in late February. This species does extremely well in a pot outdoors on the patio, or even in the ground if the bed is rocky and very well drained. It is a bit frost sensitive so if you think the temperatures in your yard will get below 30 degrees, bring it under the eaves or in the house for a short time. Good luck and enjoy this wonderful shrub. Mary cenalmor@yahoo.com wrote: > I have a Crown of Thorns (Euphorbia millii) that I got about 3 months ago as a gift. I have never found too much info on how to care for this plant, but I had it inside and it did alright for a while, it even bloomed. For the last 3-4 weeks, leaves have first slowly turn yellow and dropped, and now, at a very fast speed, I loose about 3-4 leaves a day. This morning there were only 3 semi-live leaves on it. I have tried putting it next to a brighter window, since I thought with the shorter days it may not be getting enough light. Also I have cut back in watering as with all of my other plants. The leaves seem to be turning yellow with brown hard dots everywhere. I don't know if it's just bad care on my part or if it actually has a problem. Can anybody help me? I haven't been able to find much information internet. > Thank you, > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Landlightdesign@aol.com Tue Dec 5 17:47:47 2000 From: Landlightdesign@aol.com (Landlightdesign@aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:47:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #23 - 31 msgs Maine,Arizona senior project Message-ID: --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cathy, The Irrigation system is a good starting point for any residential landscape planted in Arizona. The Arizona Municipal Water users Association has a guideline for landscape drip irrigation systems. They will provide you with a copy @602-248-8482. You might also check out http:// www.graywater.com/index.htm it has some very good info and lots of links. --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cathy, The Irrigation system is a good starting point for any residential
landscape planted in Arizona. The Arizona Municipal Water users Association
has a guideline for landscape drip irrigation systems. They will provide you
with a copy @602-248-8482. You might also check out http://
www.graywater.com/index.htm it has some very good info and lots of links. --part1_b5.41953a3.275e8443_boundary-- From cnoyes@Ag.Arizona.Edu Wed Dec 6 16:34:12 2000 From: cnoyes@Ag.Arizona.Edu (Carol Noyes) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:34:12 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] New Live Gardening Internet Radio Show Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001206091634.00aafda0@ag.arizona.edu> Mary Irish has a new live Internet radio show every Saturday from 7:00 am to 8:00 am. Callers may either call in on the phone or send an email in to ask a question or provide a comment. One can access the show by going to the website www.elandscape.com and following the directions given there. while the directions are easy to follow, it is necessary to have 'player' software installed before you can hear the show. The most common one is 'RealPlayer' which is default loaded on almost all machines that are pretty new or have a Pentium chip in them. the other 'Winmap' can be downloaded for free off of the website. Anyone who doesn't have a player and needs to download it, or isn't sure about the whole process, should try it out a day or two before listening. The show is fun. Terry Mikel was a guest last week. The shows are archived on the site so one can go anytime and listen to any show, you just can't call or email in a question. Be sure and check it out! Carol Noyes Administrative Secretary Maricopa County Urban Horticulture/Master Gardener programs 602-470-8086 Ext. 308 Have a wonderful day!! ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~U of A ~ From jjessex@quest.com Wed Dec 6 16:53:21 2000 From: jjessex@quest.com (jjessex@quest.com) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:53:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012061653.JAA21666@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Is there any way to keep rabbits from eating flowers? From gmoondoggi@uswest.net Thu Dec 7 01:16:17 2000 From: gmoondoggi@uswest.net (gmoondoggi@uswest.net) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:16:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012070116.SAA05369@Ag.Arizona.Edu> How do you care for a new 24" box guava tree planted Nov 30, 2000? From E10L25H@aol.com Thu Dec 7 02:34:05 2000 From: E10L25H@aol.com (E10L25H@aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:34:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012070234.TAA15978@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I'm currently working with a client on 3 southwestern courtyards,The problem is they are in southern louisiana, we are known for our extreme wet climate. I greatly need advice on some possible cactus and southwestern plants that can make it here, in the south. All will be planted in pots capible of bringing indoors. thank you for your time From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 14:53:25 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:53:25 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Guava care References: <200012070116.SAA05369@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FA465.615553AF@qwest.net> I am assuming that what you planted is the pineapple guava [Feijoa sellowiana], and not guava [Psidium] which the Sunset Western Garden Book only recommends for cool coastal areas of California. Both are of the myrtaceae family and are very large, evergreen shrubs that can be trained into trees. The former, which does grow in Phoenix, is a hardy subtropical fruit from South America. It is as wide as high, unless trained, and it can take almost any amount of pruning into an espalier, screen, tree or small hedge. Pruning is recommended for late spring. Fruit production is low in the desert, although areas of temperate climate produce much better. Beechwood, Coolidge and Nazemetz improved varieties are self-fertile, but cross-pollination with another tree improves the crop for these, and is necessary for other varieties. The fleshy white petals aree said to be edible and a garnish for fruit salads was recommended. These flowers are attractive to birds and bees. The tree is very drought tolerant and takes little water once established [after first year in ground] and will even handle water levels received if placed in the lawn. Deep watering to 2-3' every three weeks or so in the summer should do well in establishing the tree. Beyond this, I have little information on fertilizing, which, if you want fruit production, would probbly be a necessity. May I suggest you contact the Arizona chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers, which has a link from our page of garden clubs at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm Good luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener gmoondoggi@uswest.net wrote: > How do you care for a new 24" box guava tree planted Nov 30, 2000? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 15:26:41 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Rabbit Management References: <200012061653.JAA21666@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FAC31.74C2B09A@qwest.net> Barrier protection is the only truly effective means. Have you ever visited the Desert Botanical Gardens to see all the barriers they've built? During the drought of the summers, in particular, wildlife will eat anything that has a hint of succulence for the water content. You might view our page on management strategies at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/animals/rabbit.htm Some organic farm and garden suppliers sell predator urine [e.g. fox] with which to 'mark' one's gardens. Like other spray repellants, it washes off, but having sprayed your garden from time to time, it may be sufficient to suggest to the rabbits that they are safer in another's patch! The same can be accomplished with outdoor domestic animals [cats in particular], which strategy I can only recommend in rural areas, with the animals spayed/neutered, of course. Another very good strategy is to plant varieties that they do not like. I used to have a bookmark for a website with plants that resist rabbits [daffodils was one, I recall], but cannot find it now. Hopefully, one of my colleagues will be able to refresh my memory and provide you with this info. Linda Guy Master Gardener jjessex@quest.com wrote: > Is there any way to keep rabbits from eating flowers? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From saz621@primenet.com Thu Dec 7 16:35:06 2000 From: saz621@primenet.com (Mary Irish) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:swamp succulents References: <200012070234.TAA15978@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FBC38.685E4A5E@primenet.com> I, too, used to grow plants, including succulents in southeast Louisiana specifically New Orleans. Here are a few tips I learned. Grow them in pots with exception rocky soils in the pots for drainage. Bring them in for the winter beginning when the nights turn really cool and barely if ever water them during that time but do provide as much light as you can. If they have leaves, like pachypodiums, certain euphorbias and so forth and they drop their leaves in the winter, let them, keep them bone dry and wait for spring. Almost anything would grow for me but many of the leaf succulents (aloes, gasteria and so forth) as well as many of the small globular (rounded) cactus did the best. Succulents that I mentioned above with leaves are very good, but you have to be attentive to their dormancy requirements and keep them away from water in the winter. Good luck, Mary E10L25H@aol.com wrote: > I'm currently working with a client on > 3 southwestern courtyards,The problem > is they are in southern louisiana, we > are known for our extreme wet climate. > I greatly need advice on some possible > cactus and southwestern plants that can > make it here, in the south. All will be > planted in pots capible of bringing > indoors. thank you for your time > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:29:01 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:29:01 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Science Project Message-ID: <3A2FBACD.14C453F5@qwest.net> We used to have some very good and basic material in our 4-H area, and I am trying to locate some of this for you. In the meantime, let me try to address some of the basics. There are many types of root systems: fibrous roots of grass, corn, some flowers and shrubs; enlarged stems of an Irish potato, the globular root of a beet, the taproot of a carrot or dill plant. There are even aerial roots on certain plants. These should not be confused with bulbuous plants, like garlic or daffodils, whose bulbs are actually compacted sections of the stem complete with buds and modified leaves. The roots on a bulb dangle from the bulb's base; the part you cut off from the bottom of a green onion, for example. Plant roots absorb water and dissolved nutrients from the soil and conduct this to the stem to be distributed to the plant. The wall of each root cell is a semipermeable membrane, the sap inside the cell is a fairly strong solution of water, sugar & other substances called salts [not just NaCl!], and the scientific principle in play here is osmosis. The stronger solution inside the cell attracts the weaker one in the soil across the membrane. Ask your teacher to explain this better to you. We know a whole lot less about plant roots that plant tops, since they grow underground and when we remove them from the soil they no longer are behaving as in their natural habitat. There are several kinds of water in soil. Some is held so tightly by the soil that plants can't get it. That is, the chemical bond to the soil particle is stronger than the osmosis that the root cells could generate to attract it away to the plant. Once you add a bit more water, then some is held loosely by soil particles and the plant is able to absorb this by osmosis. Lastly, if the soil is really saturated with water, the excess runs through the soil, pulled by gravity. [There is also water evaporation from the top of the soil which acts against gravity and draws water up.] If there is extra water in the soil, the roots will also act in a storage capacity for the plant. Now on to the rest of the plant. Stems carry water and dissolved nutrients, called sap once inside the plant, up and into the above ground structure. Sap is moved by a combination of scientific forces: osmosis, capillary action, transpiration and the pressure in the atmosphere. Lots of water in the soil increases the rate of osmosis because the more water in the soil, the more dilute it is compared to that in the root cell. Sap will not move up the plant through the stem tissue called xylem if there is no water coming in through the roots. The capillary action in a plant stem is like a straw standing in a pan of water. The thinner and taller the tube the higher the water will rise [again assuming there is adequate water in the soil]. As the leaves of the plant transpire or lose water to evaporation, this action is like sucking on the end of the straw. Evaporation is controlled by openings in plant leaves called stomata, in the outside cell layers. The green matter of leaves is chlorophyll. Using the energy of the sun, the cells manufacture carbohydrates or sugars from the water and dissolved nutrients that the roots absorbed, and carbon dioxide in the air. This process is photosynthesis. If you had the ability to look at the cells in a leaf you would see that the parts that are shielded from the sun do not produce the plant's food, since sunlight is necessary for this process. A by-product of the plant's producing its food supply is the oxygen that is vital for us humans. Carbon dioxide comes in and oxygen goes out through the leaves' stomata which we already talked about. The leaf will save some of the food it generates and send the rest back into the plant. Some returns to the roots where it helps the root cells to grow [this happens at the tips of the roots] and get bigger and longer to absorb more water and nutrients to send up to the leaves, in the same cycle. It is not only flowers that will change colors: if you conduct the same experiment with a stalk of celery, for example, you will see stem and leaf change color, too. I don't know exactly why, but I suspect it may have to do with the volume of water in the cell tissue which carries the dye. Celery has a very high water content. There are two very good, basic books that show all these structures. Perhaps you can look for them in the library. I'm not sure what grade you are in, and I hope I won't insult you with this selection of what might appear to be picture books! Look very carefully as one of them has incredible detail on cell biology, including mitochondria, ER, nucleus, cytoplasm, etc. [I am a massage therapist, and I had to learn all about this type of stuff as it relates to our own human bodies!] One is from the Inside Guides series, called Incredible Plants. The other is Picturepedia of Plants. Both are DK Publishing books. Please write us back if you need more help, or at least to give us an address to mail some materials, if we find they are available. Good luck on your project. Linda Guy Master Gardener From amandaset@aol.com Thu Dec 7 16:45:44 2000 From: amandaset@aol.com (amandaset@aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:45:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012071645.JAA08018@Ag.Arizona.Edu> If you have any information you could send to me regarding the following plants: Poverty bush Mexican Heather Pink Verbena Royal Robe bush Salvia greggi sage Thank you, Amanda From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:39:35 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peoria Nurseries References: <200011280118.SAA01244@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FBD46.8B19E2C6@qwest.net> We aren't 'permitted' to recommend specific suppliers, but I have purchased plant materials from the following nurseries which have outlets in or near Peoria. However, Peoria is pretty big, north to south, and I'm not sure they'd be near, say Harper's, which is in the adjacent town of Surprise. Tip Top [623/971-9311] Gardener's World [623-934-0700] Harper's [623-583-9250] Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County naeve@ames.net wrote: > My parents just purchased a home in a retirement community in Peoria, Arizona. They will need some landscape materials and advice. Can you recommend a good, reputable nursery in their area where I could purchase a gift certificate for Christmas? If possible, send me their phone number. THANKS. > > Linda Naeve > Ames, IA 515-292-7778 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:49:09 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:49:09 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Persimmons in Tucson References: <200011251520.IAA19679@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FBF84.8F1D119A@qwest.net> According to the Sunset Western Garden Book, p. 412, the Oriental or Japanese persimmon [Diospyros kaki] will grow here but will rarely fruit. It does not say if this is because the heat impacts pollination, or the lack of winter chill hours, which you may well have if you have frost often. Most deciduous fruit trees will have a minimum requirement for hours of winter cold in order to fruit well. If you do not care about the fruit, it is still a lovely ornamental tree. It probably needs some pretty consistent watering in the summer. The American persimmon [D. virginiana], which I grew up with in rural Maryland, is not recommended in your zone at all. You might want to try the link to the Arizona Chapter of California Rare Fruit Growers to see if someone is growing these successfully and which varieties work particularly well. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm Linda Guy Master Gardener sprocket@primenet.com wrote: > Is it possible to grow persimmons in Tucson? We live in an area that gets very cold during the winter, down to below freezing. > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 16:51:42 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:51:42 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page] Message-ID: <3A2FC01E.C31F6847@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you address this gentleman's question regarding the suitability of the Youth Gardening Conference to his California locale? Linda --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: lindaguy@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 1339 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2000 20:47:23 -0000 Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) by pop.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 20:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55049 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from ag.arizona.edu (128.196.42.70) by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 20:47:20 -0000 Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29266; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:47:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ag.arizona.edu (Ag.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.70]) by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29150 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Errors-To: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> From: bmaynard@woodrodgers.com Sender: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Originating-URL: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/question.htm Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page X-BeenThere: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Gardening and Landscaping in Dry Climates X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... thank you for your help bill _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener --------------8665256FA32DE4065C90EC87-- From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:05:05 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:05:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Insurance for School Gardening References: <200012012046.NAA29150@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FC340.B11EB671@qwest.net> Because you are simply a gathering of neighbors, I suspect it may be harder to secure insurance than if you were some kind of legal entity. Can the agency take out the policy or an additional rider and your group pay for it? The landowner should first make sure its own insurance covers property damage and personal injury claims as well. Most schools, botanical gardens, or government agencies can simply attach a rider for your extra activity at some minimal additional cost, which you could pick up or ask the PTA to help support. Places to try for more information are the American Community Gardening Assn. http://communitygarden.org/ or the National Gardening Association http://www.garden.org/ who are pretty active in this area. I have forwarded your note to someone who is intimately involved with the February conference, asking her to address your concerns about applicability to a California locale. Have you seen our website sections on Youth Gardening http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/youth/youth.htm and our book on same http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/sch-bk.htm ? Linda Guy Master Gardener bmaynard@woodrodgers.com wrote: > the land that we are leasing from an agency requires that we have insurance for 1 million dollars the the agency listed as benefactor.... > my question is where do i purchase this type of insurance and how much should it cost? > we are just starting off.. we are in sacramento, calif....we are not a non-profit org. we are just neighbors getting together and the elem. school will be involved also... can you help? or point me to who can? > > and is the seminar in february geared for us in calif also.. or is more an arizona regional thing dealing with hotter temps... > > thank you for your help > > bill > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:22:11 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:22:11 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Science Project References: <200011290230.TAA29374@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FC743.2D072B03@qwest.net> Cathy, Believe it or not, we have so many climate zones, [we even have ski resorts that already opened!] that you could do a paper on planting at just about any elevation. I'll assume you want to focus on the low desert in and around Phoenix, where we are based, and take it from there. I highly recommend the brochures from the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association. The pictures are colorful, and they are arranged in a variety of attractive landscape settings. http://www.amwua.org/ Spend some time studying the concept of xeriscaping, which we actively recommend for landscaping here. The Desert Botanical Gardens located in Phoenix also have some online information. Look specifically at recommended plants for our area. http://www.dbg.org/5/infosht.html Once you have the name from these lists, you could see photos at http://www.aridzonetrees.com/gallery.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/plants/plants-b.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/plants/plants-a.htm Best of luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County XER519@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am a student at Assabet Valley Regional Technical High School and i have to do a "Senior Project" and i choose to compare how to landscape two different landscapes with very different climates. Maine and Arizona. So i was hoping you could give me some ideas on what you would use to landscape a home down there in Arizona.(Trees, Shrubs, flowers...etc) I would very much appreciate it if you could help me. > Thank you for your time > ~Cathy~ > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 7 17:33:35 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:33:35 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bamboo References: <200011282233.PAA17317@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FC9EF.AA77A407@qwest.net> Check out the website of the American Bamboo Society. The Tierra Seca chapter has principals based in Tucson, and there is a direct link to them from this site. http://www.bamboo.org/abs/ The Sunset Western Garden Book has a substantial discussion on bamboo as well. Their 5 pages are too much to summarize here. Linda Guy Master Gardener phg@citieswestpub.com wrote: > Does anyone know about growing bamboo in the Valley? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From david.beaujon@state.co.us Thu Dec 7 18:05:51 2000 From: david.beaujon@state.co.us (david.beaujon@state.co.us) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:05:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012071805.LAA25252@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I work for the Colorado General Assembly. A legislator is considering legislation to provide a tax credit for planting drought resistant grasses instead of Kentucky Blue Grass. He hopes this program will reduce the growing demand for municipal water. He asked me to find information on the preferred, drought resistant grasses in Arizona. Please send me information about the recommended grasses, including water saving that results from planting a particular grass. He is especially interested in grasses that live throughout the year and from one growing season to the next. Any help is greatly appreciated. My phone # (303) 866-4781 and fax is (303) 866-3855 From Paquito714@netscape.net Thu Dec 7 18:49:14 2000 From: Paquito714@netscape.net (Francisco Saenz) Date: 7 Dec 00 10:49:14 PST Subject: [Arid_gardener] REMOVE FROM MAIL LIST Message-ID: <20001207184914.29052.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Please remove me from your mailing list, will like to hear from you, only if I ask an specific question. The rest of th e messages are totally irrelevant to me Best Regards... Francisco Saenz Paquito714@ Netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From aztortoiselady@aol.com Thu Dec 7 19:29:19 2000 From: aztortoiselady@aol.com (aztortoiselady@aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:29:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012071929.MAA12548@Ag.Arizona.Edu> PLEASE HELP ME FIND: I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. Thank you Marla From steve.sheard@motorola.com Thu Dec 7 20:21:10 2000 From: steve.sheard@motorola.com (Stephen Sheard) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:21:10 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado in Tempe Message-ID: I have an Avacado tree that is now about 18". I want to plant it out in the yard. Any recommendations? Can I ever expect fruit in this climate? After how many years. Regards Steve Sheard From rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com Thu Dec 7 20:56:05 2000 From: rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com (Alan Zelhart) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:56:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200012071929.MAA12548@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A2FF965.F88B05F8@email.sps.mot.com> Marla, I could only find a site that sells the seeds. Here is the website address and other information: http://www.greatbasinseed.com/pg2.html Also, one of your arboretums or garden centers may sell them. Also, botonical nurseries. Alan aztortoiselady@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE HELP ME FIND: > > I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. > Thank you Marla > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener -- Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector R. Alan Zelhart CAD Software Asset Management 2100 East Elliot Road; Mail Drop EL714 Tempe, Arizona 85284 Sunset Zone: 13 - Metro Phoenix Work Phone: (480) 413-3470 Home Phone: (480) 699-3977 Cell Phone: (602) 692-4037 Pager: (888) 996-9501 Fax: (480) 413-5723 "You can't create a reputation you haven't earned" --Robert W. Galvin From sjbass@uswest.net Fri Dec 8 00:39:11 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:39:11 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado in Tempe References: Message-ID: <3A302DAF.3C292356@uswest.net> I'd like to refer you to the Arizona Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers for help with your avocado question. Please go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/sub-trpc.htm for information on how to contact them. Good Luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Stephen Sheard wrote: > I have an Avacado tree that is now about 18". I want to plant it out in the > yard. Any recommendations? Can I ever expect fruit in this climate? After > how many years. > Regards > Steve Sheard > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From umiller@azdps.com Fri Dec 8 03:13:05 2000 From: umiller@azdps.com (Ursula Miller) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] RE: [Arid gardener] Peoria Nurseries In-Reply-To: <3A2FBD46.8B19E2C6@qwest.net> Message-ID: Hi, Linda - Gardener's World in Peoria closed a while ago. I volunteered at their poinsettia festival at the Baseline Gardener's World location last Saturday and they told me that the Peoria store is now closed. Too bad - they had a nice selection. Ursula Miller -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Linda Guy Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:40 AM To: naeve@ames.net Cc: Arid gardener server Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peoria Nurseries We aren't 'permitted' to recommend specific suppliers, but I have purchased plant materials from the following nurseries which have outlets in or near Peoria. However, Peoria is pretty big, north to south, and I'm not sure they'd be near, say Harper's, which is in the adjacent town of Surprise. Tip Top [623/971-9311] Gardener's World [623-934-0700] Harper's [623-583-9250] Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County naeve@ames.net wrote: > My parents just purchased a home in a retirement community in Peoria, Arizona. They will need some landscape materials and advice. Can you recommend a good, reputable nursery in their area where I could purchase a gift certificate for Christmas? If possible, send me their phone number. THANKS. > > Linda Naeve > Ames, IA 515-292-7778 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 13:52:26 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 06:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Lemon Bottle Brush References: <200010292258.PAA21997@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30E79A.8EC52243@qwest.net> These Australian natives need very little water once established, as well as full sun shine. They are very tolerant of our alkaline soils. I'm thinking that (a) you placed them on the east side where their sun exposure is too limited and /or (b) you are watering them as if they were less-adapted to our climate, which is to say too much water is being applied. You don't say that they are appearing damaged in any way, but just a word of caution that they suffer from chlorosis [see our discussion of this at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/cultural/chlorsis.htm]. This is another condition of overwet soil. I see that your question dates from the end of October. I'm so sorry that it has taken us this long to respond. Our vegetable gardens are in full swing in the month of November and many of us volunteers have dirt rather than a keyboard under our fingers in this time frame. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Linda Guy Master Gardener Autumntwo@earthlink.net wrote: > I have two 5 year old Lemon Bottle Brush bushes on the east side of my house. The second year they bloomed from late Mar thru Sept, but each year they bloomed fewer months until this year once for about 3 weeks. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:12:09 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:12:09 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Locating Prosopsis pubescens References: <200012071929.MAA12548@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30EC39.FCFF1DE6@qwest.net> Marla, The screwbean mesquite is an Arizona native, and I've known many nurseries in the valley to carry them. Baker's, Harper's and Desert Winds in Phoenix specifically come to mind. They aren't carried all year long, and since autumn is such a great time to plant, they may have run out. Send me your address and I'll send you a few of my little 'screwbeans'. These will have been laying on my granite for some time and are beginning to blacken and rot...a perfect time to get the seeds. Too bad you don't live around here, you could dig up some of the volunteers! Linda Guy Master Gardener aztortoiselady@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE HELP ME FIND: > > I live in Rainbow Valley Arizona. I wish to fill my one acre property with natural desert plants. The one tree I have not been able to locate is the Screwbean Mesquite Prosopis pubescens. If you could give me a number to call that would be great. I also don't mind starting one by seed. Please Help me. > Thank you Marla > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:20:44 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:20:44 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Arborvitae References: <200011140447.VAA05959@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30EE3C.FCE421CF@qwest.net> I don't know anything about this particular plant, but it appears that you haven't heard from one of us yet, so here goes. The Sunset Western Garden Book and some of my other reference materials do not have specific pruning instructions, either. Unless the branch is clearly dead, dry, snaps in your hand, I would be inclined to wait for a flush of new growth come spring and prune around that. Linda Guy Master Gardener ahayes1915@aol.com wrote: > I have a arborvitae and this summer the heat > really affected it. It has alot of dead > stuff on it. What I would like to know should I cut off all the dead wood. It kinda > looks like it is starting to come back with green on some of the branches. Would it be > a good time to fertilze it. And what kind > of fertilzer would be the best. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:27:31 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flowers References: <200011301956.MAA20730@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30EFD3.B1645704@qwest.net> If you are looking to plant an annual border, we have an excellent publication that is available to you online. Look in the Flowers section of our pubs list at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Linda Guy Master Gardener thgroves@infomagic.com wrote: > I am looking for flower suggestions. I am wanting to cover a large "berm" that is on the West side of my father's home in New River. What he had in mind was a mass planting of flowers but we need some sugestions as to what would be appropriate. He is looking for flowers that bloom year round or as close to it as possible. The area varies from full shade to full sun so a variety of flowers are probably in order. Having been born and raised in Flagstaff, I am new to gardening in this climate and would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:35:20 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus Variety Selection References: <200011271335.GAA13413@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30F1A8.A81C7216@qwest.net> I would certainly recommend using dwarf stock in an area such as you describe. Citrus are very broad trees. For ideas on which variety you might prefer, see our excellent pub AZ 1001 on our pubs list page at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#top While you are there, check out the pub on irrigation, also online. That way you'll give your trees a good start! Linda Guy Master gardener saltou@uswest.net wrote: > We have about 6 feet between our back wall > to our property and the curbing for the grass > area in our back yard. Is there enough room > to plant a citrus tree there? How close should > we plant to the curb where the grass starts? > We what to plant an orange tree, lemon tree > and a grapefruit tree. Do they come in dwarf > varities? What is the best for eating or > juicing? How close can I plant the trees to > each other. Thanks. > Debbie > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:43:27 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:43:27 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Native Grasses References: <200012071805.LAA25252@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30F38F.7CC629C9@qwest.net> I will refer your question to a fellow Master Gardener who is also a turf agronomist. I've sent him several emails lately and haven't received responses, so I'm assuming his business demands are pressing at the moment. However the good news is that there are some high desert nurseries that could be of help to you now. David Salman of Santa Fe Greenhouses/High Country Gardens catalog [ www.highcountrygardens.com ] is, I thought, somehow affiliated with your own Denver Botanical Gardens. And Plants of the Southwest, also in Santa Fe, sells native grasses too. www.plantsofthesouthwest.com This should at least get you started. Linda Guy Master Gardener Maricopa County david.beaujon@state.co.us wrote: > I work for the Colorado General Assembly. A legislator is considering legislation to provide a tax credit for planting drought resistant grasses instead of Kentucky Blue Grass. He hopes this program will reduce the growing demand for municipal water. He asked me to find information on the preferred, drought resistant grasses in Arizona. Please send me information about the recommended grasses, including water saving that results from planting a particular grass. He is especially interested in grasses that live throughout the year and from one growing season to the next. Any help is greatly appreciated. My phone # (303) 866-4781 and fax is (303) 866-3855 > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 14:57:12 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Effect of Gray water on marigolds References: <200011171853.LAA05207@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A30F6C8.4DBACA07@qwest.net> We have some publications on the topic which you need to order [they aren't online] At http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm#soil you can order MC 64, Grey Water for Plants. The impact is dependent on the composition of your laundry soap. In general, however, plants that like alkaline conditions [bermuda grass, oleanders, palms] will handle grey water better. A marigold would not fall in this classification. If you are using a very high sodium/alkaline detergent, for which a valve is recommended that you would manually divert wash cycle water to the sewer/septic system and rinse water to the plants. Another pub that you might want to order is 8736 Softened & Recycled Water. In addition to this you might peruse the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association and see if someone there has more info. http://www.amwua.org/ In general, if you are going to use these beds on an ongoing basis, you should be cautious of intensifying our soil's propensity to retain salt. Linda Guy Master Gardener 06kelong@ksbe.edu wrote: > do you know what the effect of gray water is on plants? especially french marigolds? thankx a lot! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Dec 8 16:06:38 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Banana Palm References: <200011101830.LAA01416@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A31070E.22CD829@qwest.net> Ensete is a palmlike perennial and is the closest I could come to your plant. If this is what you have, the Sunset Western Garden Book says that flowers will usually form 2-5 years after planting; after flowering, the plant dies to its roots, after which new plants will sprout from the now soil-level crown. However, the book simply recommends replacing the plant at that point. Pruning would probably entail removing the outer dried leaves. You could try shortening the plant with a propagation technique called air layering at http://ag.arizona.edu./pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html which is a section of the Arizona Master Gardener Manual. Another technique on the same page that might work is root cutting. Good luck! Linda Guy Master Gardener mp@gknet.com wrote: > How do you prune a banana palm? There is new growth coming out of the top but the bottom and side leaves are all dried and brown. It is very tall and I want to fill out the bottom. If I cut it straight across at the bottom, will new growth appear or will I kill the plant if I do that. If I trim off all the dry, dead leaves, it will appear top-heavy. Any suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From librarian2002@yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 21:22:23 2000 From: librarian2002@yahoo.com (librarian2002@yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:22:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012082122.OAA24164@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I would like to hear from anyone in NE Phx area who could assist with landscape design for a small area at Gold Dust School (36th Street & Cholla). Cub Scouts and PTSA joint project. (602) 485-3771. Thanks! From cenalmor@yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 00:11:43 2000 From: cenalmor@yahoo.com (Barbara Cenalmor) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:11:43 -0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita Message-ID: <000e01c06306$f1e45300$02ffa8c0@snagglepuss.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of Spain = with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and = when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is = it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love = to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can = plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about = importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that = will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the = area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? Also, is there a = place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? Or if not, I was = planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I = can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this. Do Manzanita = bushes have a tap root? That could make it difficult for me to dig one = up. Is there any easier way to propagate? I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that = would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I = can solve this problem before. =20 Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, this may be a strange = request.  My mother=20 lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the=20 Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love = with the=20 Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a = large=20 property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small = Manzanita=20 bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have very = strict=20 laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in = something that=20 will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the=20 area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  Also, is = there a=20 place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if not, I = was=20 planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I = can dig=20 up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do = Manzanita bushes=20 have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to dig one = up. =20 Is there any easier way to propagate?
I would appreciate any info, or if you = know of=20 anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm leaving = on Dec.=20 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.  =
Thanks so much in advance to anybody = that helps me=20 with this.
 
Barbara
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C062C3.E36D26A0-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From sjbass@uswest.net Mon Dec 11 00:37:45 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita References: <000e01c06306$f1e45300$02ffa8c0@snagglepuss.com> Message-ID: <3A3421D9.4E0C4169@uswest.net> --------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara: Manzanita are lovely shrubs. I have seen them in nurseries in the Sedona area. I wouldn't suggest digging one up. Below is the address and phone number of the Gila County Cooperative Extension as well as the e-mail address of Chris Jones, who is an agent at that office. I think they could give you more information on the growing habits of the manzanita and whether it could be taken to Spain without jeopardizing the native plant population. Gila County Cooperative Extension 1177 Monroe Street Globe, AZ 85501-1415 Phone: (520) 425-7179 Fax: (520) 425-0265 ckjones@ag.arizona.edu Good luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Barbara Cenalmor wrote: > Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of > Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, > and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, > or is it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I > would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush > that she can plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict > laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in > something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural > vegetation of the area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? > Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? > Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look > for a small one I can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing > this. Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root? That could make it > difficult for me to dig one up. Is there any easier way to > propagate?I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in > Gila Co. that would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. > and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.Thanks so much in > advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara --------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara:
Manzanita are lovely shrubs.  I have seen them in nurseries in the Sedona area.  I wouldn't suggest digging one up.  Below is the address and phone number of the Gila County Cooperative Extension as well as the e-mail address of Chris Jones, who is an agent at that office.  I think they could give you more information on the growing habits of the manzanita and whether it could be taken to Spain without jeopardizing the native plant population. 

Gila County Cooperative Extension
1177 Monroe Street
Globe, AZ 85501-1415
 Phone: (520) 425-7179
 Fax: (520) 425-0265
ckjones@ag.arizona.edu

Good luck!
Sue Bass
Master Gardener
 
 
 
 

Barbara Cenalmor wrote:

Hi, this may be a strange request.  My mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I can dig up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to dig one up.  Is there any easier way to propagate?I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before.Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara
--------------BBB0705B2FDDAE8E37F1388A-- From clydic@netzone.com Mon Dec 11 02:52:05 2000 From: clydic@netzone.com (Carol Lydic) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita In-Reply-To: <000e01c06306$f1e45300$02ffa8c0@snagglepuss.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara, I'm a master gardener in Gila County, and I'd strongly suggest you drive to Payson next weekend and visit Plant Fair Nursery in Star Valley. They carry natives. Manzanita is a protected plant; you could run afoul of the constabulary if you are caught digging one up. And alas, it is not easy to transplant and would probably not survive. I'd suggest you call ahead (520. 474.6556) and make sure they have them in stock before you make the trip. From the other end, I don't have a clue about breaking any laws on the Spanish side! -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Barbara Cenalmor Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:12 PM To: arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] manzanita Hi, this may be a strange request. My mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as the Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love with the Manzanita bush, or is it a tree? Anyway, she just purchased a large property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small Manzanita bush that she can plant there. Even though Spain doesn't have very strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring in something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural vegetation of the area. Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way? Also, is there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush? Or if not, I was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small one I can dig up. I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this. Do Manzanita bushes have a tap root? That could make it difficult for me to dig one up. Is there any easier way to propagate? I would appreciate any info, or if you know of anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information. I'm leaving on Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before. Thanks so much in advance to anybody that helps me with this. Barbara ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Barbara, I'm a master gardener in Gila = County, and I'd=20 strongly suggest you drive to Payson next weekend and visit Plant Fair = Nursery=20 in Star Valley.  They carry natives.  Manzanita is a protected = plant;=20 you could run afoul of the constabulary if you are caught digging one = up. =20 And alas, it is not easy to transplant and would probably not = survive.  I'd=20 suggest you call ahead (520. 474.6556) and make sure they have them in = stock=20 before you make the trip.  From the other end, I don't have a clue = about=20 breaking any laws on the Spanish side!
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu=20 [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu]On Behalf Of Barbara = Cenalmor
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:12 = PM
To:=20 arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener]=20 manzanita

Hi, this may be a strange = request.  My=20 mother lives in a region of Spain with similar weather and altitude as = the=20 Payson/Strawberry area, and when she visited me last she fell in love = with the=20 Manzanita bush, or is it a tree?  Anyway, she just purchased a = large=20 property and I would love to bring her as a Christmas gift a small = Manzanita=20 bush that she can plant there.  Even though Spain doesn't have = very=20 strict laws about importation of vegetation, I wouldn't want to bring = in=20 something that will spread some kind of disease or kill the natural = vegetation=20 of the area.  Does anybody know if I'm safe in that way?  = Also, is=20 there a place I can purchase a small ("travel size") bush?  Or if = not, I=20 was planning to go up norh next weekend and try to look for a small = one I can=20 dig up.  I hope I'm not breaking any laws doing this.  Do = Manzanita=20 bushes have a tap root?  That could make it difficult for me to = dig one=20 up.  Is there any easier way to propagate?
I would appreciate any info, or if = you know of=20 anybody in Gila Co. that would know this information.  I'm = leaving on=20 Dec. 22nd. and I'm hoping I can solve this problem before. =20
Thanks so much in advance to anybody = that helps=20 me with this.
 
Barbara
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C062E2.AC265C60-- From cruzanhlm@aol.com Mon Dec 11 03:42:26 2000 From: cruzanhlm@aol.com (cruzanhlm@aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:42:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012110342.UAA00508@Ag.Arizona.Edu> why do the leaves on my citrus trees turn yellowish at this time of year? Is there something that I should be doing? Normally they are very green but the tips ends are strating to turn. From Landlightdesign@aol.com Mon Dec 11 14:00:41 2000 From: Landlightdesign@aol.com (Landlightdesign@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:00:41 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #25 - 18 msgs,screwbean,mesquite Message-ID: --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marla, I saw a 5 gal. Screwbean Mesquite for sale at Boyce Thompson Arboretum last week. 520-689-2723 Paul --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marla, I saw a 5 gal. Screwbean Mesquite for sale at Boyce Thompson Arboretum
last week. 520-689-2723

Paul --part1_cb.c1e3215.27663809_boundary-- From Landlightdesign@aol.com Mon Dec 11 14:48:06 2000 From: Landlightdesign@aol.com (Landlightdesign@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:48:06 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #25 - 18 msgs, Graywater use Message-ID: <50.e8bcb1c.27664326@aol.com> --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.graywater.com is a good source for graywater info also Tucson Water has funded several studies with the U of A Office of arid lands studies, water resource research center and water conservation alliance of southern Arizona. The City of Santa Barbara has a graywater reuse program that has been in place for several years. They might have info on long term build up problems. You might want to check out Water-wise Gardening by Thomas Christopher, Simon & Schuster ISBN: 0-671-73856-9 Good luck Paul --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.graywater.com is a good source for graywater info also Tucson Water has
funded several studies with the U of A Office of arid lands studies, water
resource research center and water conservation alliance of southern Arizona.
The City of Santa Barbara has a graywater reuse program that has been in
place for several years. They might have info on long term build up problems.
You might want to check out  Water-wise Gardening by Thomas Christopher,
Simon & Schuster ISBN: 0-671-73856-9

Good luck  Paul --part1_50.e8bcb1c.27664326_boundary-- From MTCactiPi@aol.com Tue Dec 12 01:19:36 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:19:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012120119.SAA05162@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I am considering planting a queen palm in my garden in Tucson. I think I will plant it in mid to late April when it begins to warm up. My question, hot many feet of growth would a 15 gallon plant put on in one summer-fall growing season. Also, I have plants such as bougainvillea, citrus and olives in my yard-would their watering schedule be adequate for a queen palm. I currently water everthing for 3 hours twice a week during the summer. I can put as many emmiters on the palm as is necessary, but I really don't want to install a seperate line for the palm. I will although hand water it as much as needed until its established. Thaks for any suggestions! From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:49:34 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:34 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Sick Palm Plant Message-ID: <31.dd498ef.2766ec3e@aol.com> Pascale, The Chinese Fan Palm ( Livistona chinensis ) is a medium to high water use plant and makes a good indoor potted plant. You may not be giving it enough water. I would suggest that you flush the pot periodically to remove any salts that may be browning the leaves. It is typical of palms for the lower fronds to yellow and die. Most palms require periodic fertilization to keep them looking healthy. Try to find a palm tree fertilizer to meet the special needs of palms, one that is high in nitrogen and potassium and low in phosphorous, a 3-1-3 Ratio is ideal. Do not use a high phosphorous fertilizer such as Miracle Grow 15-30-15 or other similiar formulation. University of Arizona has an excellent bulletin on line about palm tree care at : http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 02:49:39 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:49:39 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Citrus with yellow leaves Message-ID: It is not abnormal for the citrus leaves to start to turn yellow this time of year. They should green up when temperatures turn warm again. If you haven't increased the irrigation interval, do it right away. Deep water once a month is adequate for your citrus as well as other trees. Over watering can also cause yellow leaves. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From mytuna123@aol.com Tue Dec 12 18:18:43 2000 From: mytuna123@aol.com (mytuna123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:18:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012121818.LAA02450@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Husband and I just moved to Surprise, Arizona. Del Webb Grand. We had some orange trees planted and the leaves are turning yellow. Can you tell me what to do? Also I have a Gardena Bush and have had it for 6 months..never saw a gardena. Also when and how often do we water in the winter months? Thank you so much...Fran From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 12 21:20:47 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:20:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Winter Watering Message-ID: Hi Fran, It is not abnormal for the citrus leaves to start to turn yellow this time of year. They should green up when temperatures turn warm again. If you haven't increased the irrigation interval, do it right away. Deep water once a month is adequate for your citrus as well as other trees. Over watering can also cause yellow leaves. Winter watering for your shrubs should be once every two to three weeks. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From susanwoodrow@earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 14:44:47 2000 From: susanwoodrow@earthlink.net (susanwoodrow@earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:44:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012131444.HAA07040@Ag.Arizona.Edu> We have a dwarf navel orange planted by landscapers in August. I believe they fertilized it when they planted it. It now has dropping yellowed curled leaves. Seems to be only from the top of the tree. There is one large orange on the tree turning orange. It was there when the tree was planted. The tree is on an automatic timed watering system. Thank you. From duplex@att.net Wed Dec 13 15:45:30 2000 From: duplex@att.net (duplex@att.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:45:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012131545.IAA18096@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I had an "Arizona Sweet Orange" simi-dwarf planted by my landscaper and have a question. It has been in the ground since the first of February of this year, and doesn't appear to have grown any taller. All growth has been in width, not height. Is that normal, or should I be doing something to encourage it to grow taller? I do occasionally cut the ones growing outward to encourage the growth upward, but it isn't working. Suggestions? Thanks, Doug House From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:40:13 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:40:13 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Citrus leaves yellowing Message-ID: It is normal for citrus leaves to yellow at this time of year, also yellowing can be caused by over watering. If you have not changed your time clock to adjust for the winter weather it is time to do so. The curled leaves could be caused by an insect called thrips, nothing to be concerned about , the damage is only cosmetic. Leaves will also curl if the tree is stressed from inadequate water. Check out this website on watering citrus and the folowing on citrus leaf drop: www.ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151 http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/cultural/leaf-drp.htm Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:41:18 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:41:18 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Orange tree growing wider than taller Message-ID: <62.9fe28fe.2769631e@aol.com> Doug, It is not uncommon for citrus to show very little growth the first year in the ground. Is it possible that someone has pruned the top of your orange tree ? If so the tree would grow wider than taller. You are correct in theory by pruning the side branches, however one should do very little pruning on a newly planted tree. Each leaf removed from a tree reduces its food manufacturing capacity. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 13 23:41:19 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:41:19 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Queen palm care Message-ID: <5f.e316ff8.2769631f@aol.com> Sorry but I don't have any info on the growth rate of a queen palm. Perhaps someone else on line will have that info. The queen palm will do very well on the same irrigation circuit as the other trees. Your trees would do better if for summer watering you changed your irrigation interval to once per week and doubled the 3 hour watering time. The bougainvillea would blossom more prolifically if you took it off the irrigation system and deep watered it once a month in the summer. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigatoion at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From gliderbabe@webtv.net Thu Dec 14 06:43:45 2000 From: gliderbabe@webtv.net (gliderbabe@webtv.net) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012140643.XAA11949@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I recall hearing that one could grow peanuts if you bought them raw. Also that it could be done fairly easily here in Phoenix. I bought some raw Spanish peanuts today, and just wonder when is the best time to plant them, do I need special soil prep, and how much water? Appreciate your time! Thank you! From 2tomdorine@gobi.com Thu Dec 14 15:00:01 2000 From: 2tomdorine@gobi.com (2tomdorine@gobi.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:00:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012141500.IAA00863@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have two hibiscus bushes whose leaves are turning yellow. What do they need? Also, can they be pruned now since they are getting rather spread out? Thanks. From skiltech@chorus.net Thu Dec 14 20:19:20 2000 From: skiltech@chorus.net (skiltech@chorus.net) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:19:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012142019.NAA09253@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I am moving to Phoenix and was wondering what type of plants, flowers and shurbs are good for this area. Any information would be of great help, since I am from the MidWest and I am sure plants are different in Arizona. Thanks for you help Sandi From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Dec 14 21:22:59 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:22:59 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Hibiscus leaves yellowing Message-ID: This time of year over watering is usually the cause of yellow leaves. If you haven't adjusted your irrigation schedule for winter watering it is past time to do so. Pruning your hibiscus should wait until after the danger of frost is past. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From oegibson@west.raytheon.com Thu Dec 14 22:09:36 2000 From: oegibson@west.raytheon.com (oegibson@west.raytheon.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:09:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012142209.PAA02704@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I live at 4000' (Arivaca)Southwest of Green Valley AZ. I am looking for a plant source much like the UNLV site that has high desert plants. Thanks Owen Gibson From mfleming@thephxzoo.com Thu Dec 14 22:20:54 2000 From: mfleming@thephxzoo.com (mfleming@thephxzoo.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012142220.PAA05712@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Can anyone tell me if subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum) is grown in Arizona and under what conditions? We may use it inside our zoo exhibits. It is generaly know as a cover crop or lawn alternative. Thanks, Sincerely, Mark Fleming From rebecca.richter@asu.edu Fri Dec 15 16:13:10 2000 From: rebecca.richter@asu.edu (Rebecca Richter) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Earn volunteer hours by providing homestay for conference attendees, Feb. 21-25. Message-ID: <000e01c066b1$ec68a760$5d65db81@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable HI! The 4th Annual Southwestern Region Community and School Gardening = Conference is coming up in February. We have out- of-town attendees = that need a place to rest their weary heads after their busy days at the = conference. Simply donate one or more rooms in your home for a few days = and earn volunteer hours! Rooms will be needed from Wednesday, February = 21 through Sunday, February 25. If you are interested, please contact = me for further details at richterrebecca@hotmail.com or 480-317-0789. = Have a great day! Rebecca Richter=20 --Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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--Boundary_(ID_ETxq5bOD7RBioL+CBR9SeQ)-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Dec 17 04:09:12 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:09:12 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: tree problems Message-ID: Donny, Improper irrigation is probably the most common cause of the demise of our landscape trees in the low desert. There could be other causes of pine tree death, one of which is nematodes that attack the trees roots. It is not always possible to determine what killed a tree after it is dead nor is it possible to estimate the exact time the tree died. The root spread could be double or greater than the area beneath the drip line of the tree. We see pines around the valley that are at least 50 years or older. With the info you have furnished it is impossible to be more specific. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From ConstancII@aol.com Sun Dec 17 18:59:20 2000 From: ConstancII@aol.com (ConstancII@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:59:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012171859.LAA10920@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a pretty yellow rose bush (the only one that survived of 4) and yesterday I noticed a branch broken off, I put it in a vase of water, it has two buds on it. How can I get a root system to start a new plant, and how do I grow it? I put the bushes in the ground this spring, so it's young. The base of the bush is thick, but the other branches are thin. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Dec 17 20:39:45 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:39:45 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Roses started from cuttings Message-ID: <97.eabf47f.276e7e91@aol.com> The Master Gardener Manual has an excellent chapter on Plant Propagation and best of all it is on line.Check out the section on asexual propagation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/propagation/asexual.html If you place a 2 liter pop bottle with the bottom cut out over the cutting it will help to keep the humidity high which will enable the cutting to root faster. I'm also including an article on planting and pruning of roses since it is that time of year. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Consulting Rosarian December and January is an exciting time of year for rose lovers, second only to the spring and fall blooming time. The nurseries will be receiving their new stock of roses in mid December, and we rosarians all look forward with anticipation the new rose varieties. For the best selection of varieties don't delay. If you wait until late January you may have trouble finding that favorite rose. You have three options as to where to buy roses: 1. Nurseries, 2. Mail order, 3. Discounters. There is also the option of buying either bare root or potted. My preference is to buy bare root from a nursery that stores the roses in a sawdust bin. The roots of roses stored in a sawdust bin can be examined, and if you don't like the appearance of the roots you don't have to buy. With a packaged rose you don't have that option. After the middle of February my preference is to buy potted roses because they have already started the rooting process, and the chances of survival are much better. If you are unable to find the variety wanted locally, then your only option is mail order.If the mail order option is used, again be sure and order early, not only for the best selection, but you won't want bare root roses shipped to the Phoenix area in March. It's time to plant.Dig the hole a month before you plant if possible, replace the soil with amendments and soak well. Do not put fertilizer in the planting hole at this time. Most rose books recommend a planting hole of at least 18 x 18 inches. My recommendation is to make the planting hole 30 x 30 inches, and especially if the soil is dense clay as is found in most of Maricopa county. If you have much caliche your options are to either dig out the caliche or to build raised beds. It's now planting time. Soak the bare root roses over night in water;dig out some of the planting mix, form a cone,spread the rose roots on the cone with the bud graft 2 inches above grade, backfill and water in well. To keep the canes from drying out mound up either the planting mix or mulch around the canes. January is the time to prune roses for those of you who already have them in your garden. Basically cut your hybred teas, florabundas, and minatures back from 1/3 to 1/2 depending on the size; cut out the dead wood, and strip off all the leaves and clean up around the bush. It is always helpful to attend one of the pruning demonstrations held in public rose gardens by most of the rose societies in the valley. Watch the Saturday newspapers home section for time and place. Have problems with roses or have questions to be answered, call the Master Gardner hot line or talk to one of the many Master Gardner Consulting Rosarians. Rod McKusick, Master Gardner and Consulting Rosarian From richterrebecca@hotmail.com Mon Dec 18 15:18:05 2000 From: richterrebecca@hotmail.com (Rebecca Richter) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:18:05 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] addendum to message sent 12/15 re: homestay for community and school gardening conf. attendees Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I sent a message on 12/15/2000 asking for anyone who would be able to = donate a room in his/her home to conference attendees during the = Southwest Regional Community and School Gardening Conference, Feb. = 22-25, 2001. I'd like to clarify that the conference is in Phoenix, = Arizona. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks! Rebecca Richter ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I sent a message on 12/15/2000 asking for anyone who = would be=20 able to donate a room in his/her home to conference attendees during the = Southwest Regional Community and School Gardening Conference, Feb. = 22-25,=20 2001.  I'd like to clarify that the conference is in Phoenix,=20 Arizona.  Please let me know if you can help.  = Thanks!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C068CB.0BEB6580-- From JeanSciFi@aol.com Mon Dec 18 16:35:17 2000 From: JeanSciFi@aol.com (JeanSciFi@aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:35:17 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Skeleton Weed Message-ID: <8.dc28eb8.276f96c5@aol.com> Hi Ed, I'm nursing a pet with back problems so have not spent much time on line, sorry. I picked a piece of skeleton weed I thought your described weed might be to check for stickers. I didn't find any although it was very brittle to the touch. I find the weed I'm referring to growing along roadways that have wide dirt shoulders. I took a piece to a master gardener meeting and Terry Miekles said it was skeleton weed. I see there are several kinds of skeleton weed listed in a book called Weeds of the West but none of the pictures look like the specimen I picked up. I don't know where you live but if you could take a piece of the plant to a county extension office someone their could probably ID the plant for you. If you live in Maricopa County the Extension office is 4341 E. Broadway in Phoenix. Good luck with your quest. Jean From arne@citde.net Mon Dec 18 23:10:10 2000 From: arne@citde.net (arne@citde.net) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:10:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012182310.QAA21824@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I brought a calamondin orange seedling from Florida to Germany. It was packed in a sealed bag to supposedly withstand traveling. When I unpacked it several leaves had browned and fallen off and I put it in a large pot with regular potting soil. I made a hole in the potting soil, sprinkled it with "rooting compound", a powder made from seaweed that is supposedly good for root growth and covered it up. Then I watered the plant from the top as was described in the instructions. In the following days the branches browned further from the top down. The instructions said to water again when the top soil got completely dry which was after about a week. I watered again. Now another week later everything is brown (it was dark green before). Is the plant dead or is there any likelihood that something is still alive? What should I do? I have had an oregano plant that although completely brown on top came out again after several months. Thank you for any help you can provide, -- Arne Ludwig Hamburg, Germany From cbi64@webtv.com Tue Dec 19 04:32:03 2000 From: cbi64@webtv.com (cbi64@webtv.com) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:32:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012190432.VAA12046@Ag.Arizona.Edu> not pleased with condition of winter lawn. have sparse spots and areas where heavy gowth. need suggestions on watering and also a good fertilizer to use thanx From ebenware@juno.com Tue Dec 19 05:54:51 2000 From: ebenware@juno.com (Edna JK Benware) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:54:51 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Peanuts Message-ID: <20001218.232350.-184407.4.ebenware@juno.com> In the low desert, April is the time to put peanuts in the ground, and harvest in Aug/Sep when the plants begin to die. I did this last year, and they are luscious green plants with tiny yellow flowers. DO take the peanuts out of the shell before planting. DO give each plant room for underground growth of the goobers. Do be sure the ground is well turned/tilled so they can grow easily. Do water deeply no more than weekly, except let dry out a couple of weeks just prior to harvest. Enjoy! Edna Benware Master Gardener On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:43:45 -0700 (MST) gliderbabe@webtv.net writes: > I recall hearing that one could grow peanuts if you bought them raw. > Also that it could be done fairly easily here in Phoenix. I bought > some raw Spanish peanuts today, and just wonder when is the best > time to plant them, do I need special soil prep, and how much water? > Appreciate your time! Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From RAYCOOL@ATT.NET Tue Dec 19 17:11:11 2000 From: RAYCOOL@ATT.NET (RAYCOOL@ATT.NET) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:11:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012191711.KAA10337@Ag.Arizona.Edu> can & If I can how do I transplant Mediterranean Fan Palm off-shoots (babies) From gmiller@usagroup.com Tue Dec 19 19:36:34 2000 From: gmiller@usagroup.com (gmiller@usagroup.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012191936.MAA09700@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I need to maintain a green lawn all year round per the HOA in in my neighborhood and since we moved into our house in early december I cannot get any winter rye to grow, I scalped and overseeded 12-9-00 and topped with several bags of steer manure and mulched top dressing. It has been 11 days and still there are no visable sprouts. I am in a bind with the HOA and need to do something. Any suggestions would be helpful? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Dec 19 22:52:20 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:52:20 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Rye grass seed not sprouting Message-ID: <69.eaf8550.277140a4@aol.com> Rye grass seed needs soil temperatures above 60 degrees to sprout well, and our soil temps have been below that for over a month in Mesa. It has been an unusual fall to say the least, the window to plant rye grass is usually from October 15 to November 15. This year with the colder than normal temps, narrowed that window to about two weeks. If the seed were allowed to dry after planting it would not have sprouted . I reseeded with rye about the same time that you planted and a very small amount has come up. If we have a warm spell you could try planting again, but there would not be anything guaranteed. If you need something to present to your HOA, U. of A. Extension bulletin 8652 titled OVERSEEDING BERMUDA GRASS will verify the information I've given you, and is available from the Extension at 4341 E. Broadway, Phoenix 85040 for $1.00. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From sophie@farmchina.com Wed Dec 20 02:32:29 2000 From: sophie@farmchina.com (Sophie Sun) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:32:29 +0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Channel of Organic Products on FarmChina.com Message-ID: <200012200246.TAA27543@Ag.Arizona.Edu> To Whom It May Concern: Want to sell your organic products to tremendous China market? FarmChina provides you an efficient and cost-saving marketplace for organic business. Please visit our Organic Products Exchange Channel (www.farmchina.com ) and find more useful free and value-added services. It is worth visiting. (You can do FREE posting of your buy/sell offers and make your own company webpage. It is absolutely FREE.) Please send your enquiry. We are happy to assist you. Kindest Regards, Sophie Sun Channel Manager FarmChina.Inc. Email: sophie@farmchina.com Fax:0086-10-65815987 Tel:0086-10-65814212/3/4/5 To unsubscribe, please visit http://eng.farmchina.com/misc/unsubscribe.asp From sophie@farmchina.com Wed Dec 20 03:11:46 2000 From: sophie@farmchina.com (Sophie Sun) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:11:46 +0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Channel of Organic Products on FarmChina.com Message-ID: <200012200314.UAA03856@Ag.Arizona.Edu> To Whom It May Concern: Want to sell your organic products to tremendous China market? FarmChina provides you an efficient and cost-saving marketplace for organic business. Please visit our Organic Products Exchange Channel (www.farmchina.com ) and find more useful free and value-added services. It is worth visiting. (You can do FREE posting of your buy/sell offers and make your own company webpage. It is absolutely FREE.) Please send your enquiry. We are happy to assist you. Kindest Regards, Sophie Sun Channel Manager FarmChina.Inc. Email: sophie@farmchina.com Fax:0086-10-65815987 Tel:0086-10-65814212/3/4/5 To unsubscribe, please visit http://eng.farmchina.com/misc/unsubscribe.asp From MTCactiPi@aol.com Wed Dec 20 03:29:35 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:29:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012200329.UAA05832@Ag.Arizona.Edu> This question concerns the size of a palm to buy. I want to plant a queen palm in my yard in Tucson next spring. When is the best(earliest)time to plant in my area? Most nurserys in my area sell 15 gallon or 24" inch boxed plants. Which is the better one to plant? I am leaning toward the 15 gallon due to easier planting. Should the hole be deeper then the rootball and how much wider? I think I will start diging next week so I have plenty of time to dig as big of a hole as is necessary. Also, I live close to a large wash and on land where they used to grow cotton. I know there is lots of calleche down there! From MTCactiPi@aol.com Wed Dec 20 03:32:18 2000 From: MTCactiPi@aol.com (MTCactiPi@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012200332.UAA06592@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I was reading through some of the old posts and ran accross some concerns on the use of ironite on edible plants. I have used it on citrus and have received good results. Should I continue using it? The bag even suggests using it on citrus and vegies. I don't want future generations growing a third eye or some other genetic deformity. From millero@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 20 06:12:40 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:12:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Use of Ironite on Edible Plants References: <200012200332.UAA06592@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <001b01c06a4c$35337f40$3c26480c@j0r9501> Ironite is mined from the tailings of copper mines near Bagdad AZ which are rich in iron and are also believed to contain lead and arsenic as byproducts of the refining process.. There has been much discussion in various forums in Usenet and on the Internet as to whether the product contains harmful quantities of arsenic and heavy metals and if uptake by plants in our alkaline soil could be a problem. Apparently our regulatory agencies believe it to be safe because its use is not banned. But many gardeners will not use it on edibles because of the nagging question about its safety. The best course is to peruse the available information and decide for yourself. A good place to begin is at http://www.ewg.org/pub/home/reports/asyousow/fertilizerpr.html and also Ironite's home page at www.ironite.com . Good luck! Olin Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: > I was reading through some of the old posts and ran accross some concerns on the use of ironite on edible plants. I have used it on citrus and have received good results. Should I continue using it? The bag even suggests using it on citrus and vegies. I don't want future generations growing a third eye or some other genetic deformity. From millero@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 20 21:58:24 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:58:24 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: rock phosphate References: <000c01c06ab9$281172a0$7526480c@marleneb> Message-ID: <000b01c06ad0$093feca0$d425480c@j0r9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: rock phosphate Hello Mr. Miller, You sent this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer to your questions? By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search for rock phosphate. Daniel "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for Alkaline Soil Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net) Thu, 12 Dec 1996 05:54:48 +0000 I would like to hear from mail list readers about their thoughts and experience using phosphate rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil. Bone meal seems to be the most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in our area (Phoenix, AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are also sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to be available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now also more-frequently being recommended as a long-lasting, slow release phosphorus fertilizer. My question: is application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline desert soil appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention that either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have positive effects on plant growth if appled directly to acid soils. But it seems the low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it ineffective in our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an adverse effect by increasing pH? Olin Miller " Hi Daniel - I received the following replies from Dr. Tom Deorge at the U of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County Cooperative Extension: The messages are archived at http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html and at http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700 Olin, In reply to your questions on rock phosphate applications to Arizona soils, I would make the following comments: You are correct in noting that rock phosphate is so insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no value as a source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have too much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an "organic" source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal or high-phosphorus composts or manures should be used. Good luck, Tom Doerge" "Let us not forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline soils. The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral soils and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock phosphate in our area is availability. None of the garden stores carries it. And it is expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a gardener or oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some other locally available source. BYE TOM DEGOMEZ" From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 20 23:07:46 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:46 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Palm Tree, What size to buy Message-ID: <22.f84430b.277295c2@aol.com> Usually a 15 gallon tree will be the same size as a 24 inch box in about one year. As you mentioned the 15 gallon is much easier to plant because of its physical size. The planting hole should be only as deep as the height of the root ball, in fact it is preferred that the hole be an inch or two shallower than the root ball. The width of the planting hole should be a minimum of double the width of the root ball, preferred is 3 to 5 times wider. If you suspect caliche under the spot where you dig, after the hole is dug fill it with water, if it has not drained by the next morning you should select another spot or mechanically open up a drain hole. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 20 23:07:47 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:07:47 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Rye grass not looking the best Message-ID: <69.ec1ba8f.277295c3@aol.com> You are not alone in not being happy with the appearance of your rye grass. This season has not been the most favorable for growing rye grass. First we had a very narrow window in which to plant rye grass between the temperatures that were too hot and the temperatures that were too cold. Then the heavy rainfall in the latter part of October could have washed the seed away from some spots as it did on my turf. If you fertilized before the rain, in many areas the rain could have flushed the nutrients below the reach of the grass roots. If you have not fertilized yet with the proper fertilizer, that could be your problem. Your turf should be fertilized two to three weeks after the seedlings emerge, and then monthly. Because of the low soil temperatures now, amonium nitrate is faster acting and much preferred. Check out this website for info on watering turf: http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/WATER/lawnguid.html#LONG Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From millero@worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 21 04:28:20 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: rock phosphate References: <000c01c06ab9$281172a0$7526480c@marleneb> <000b01c06ad0$093feca0$d425480c@j0r9501> <000801c06b03$834e6200$2524480c@marleneb> Message-ID: <007101c06b07$a8d75000$c427480c@j0r9501> Dunno. I'm not knowledgeable about pigeons' digestive system but I expect rock grit would pass through unchanged. Adding it probably wouldn't help your soil but wouldn't be harmful either. -Olin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" To: "olin" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: rock phosphate > Olin, > Thanks, I think this answered my concerns also. I was going to have my > pigeons use rock phosphate for grit and, hopefully, result in a > high-phosphate manure for composting. However, I am starting to doubt that > the pigeon's digestive system and then the composting procedure will make > the phosphate soluble for my soil in Mesa, Az. > > What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your posting have an > idea? > Daniel From chexit2@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:17:27 2000 From: chexit2@aol.com (chexit2@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:17:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012210617.XAA21715@Ag.Arizona.Edu> we have a large mesquite tree. what is the best time to cut back? From floconnell@juno.com Thu Dec 21 19:50:35 2000 From: floconnell@juno.com (floconnell@juno.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:50:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012211950.MAA01837@Ag.Arizona.Edu> My palm trees are about 2ft high and they are turning a little brown on the end of the branches, am I giving them to much water or not enough. how often do I have to water them thank you From HRB85373@aol.com Thu Dec 21 20:12:22 2000 From: HRB85373@aol.com (HRB85373@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:12:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012212012.NAA05843@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Our oranges are quite small this year, about half of normal (Sun City) The first time in the 6 years we have lived here. However the tangelos are very nice in size. Both have received the same watering and fertilizing, etc. Any ideas as to why? From lyshogan@aol.com Thu Dec 21 20:24:09 2000 From: lyshogan@aol.com (lyshogan@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:24:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012212024.NAA08165@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a question about poisonous plants. I have heard that oleander and the thevicia tree are poisonous. I have several thevicia (may not be the correct spelling - I believe they are related to oleander and have yellow or apricot trumpted shaped flowers and also pods) trees in my yard and a new puppy who weighs 21 lbs currently. He will eventually grow to about 75 lbs. Can you give me any advice on how to keep my puppy safe from these trees? Is there anything known on the effects on small animals? Will he simply get sick if he eats the pods, leaves or flowers, or is it more serious than that? Thanks very much! From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:17 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:17 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Poisonous plants Message-ID: <28.ee2f804.2773fb89@aol.com> Oleanders and Thevetia are on the poisonous plant list. As for the effect on your puppy, we are not permitted to address that issue. I suggest that you contact your veterinarian. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:19 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:19 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Mesquite, pruning Message-ID: <35.e6ead06.2773fb8b@aol.com> The mesquite tree grows so fast that it is often necessary to prune it several times a year. It will be dormant or simi dormant for the next month or two and this would be the best time to prune. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Dec 22 00:34:18 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:34:18 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Palm tree care Message-ID: For information on palm tree care please check out the following websites: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/az1021.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From dmBroek@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 01:07:27 2000 From: dmBroek@worldnet.att.net (Daniel & Marlene Broek) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pigeon droppings plus composting changes rock phosphate/ Message-ID: <003101c06bb3$8e147fc0$5a21480c@marleneb> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir, I know that pigeon manure is highly acidic (eats paint off automobiles) = and I'm wondering if you might know if rock phosphate could become = something more soluble for our arid Phoenix soil if it goes through the = digestive tracts of a pigeon and then added to the compost pile. What = might you think? Daniel Olin, Thanks, I think this answered my concerns also. I was going to have my pigeons use rock phosphate for grit and, hopefully, result in a high-phosphate manure for composting. However, I am starting to doubt = that the pigeon's digestive system and then the composting procedure will = make the phosphate soluble for my soil in Mesa, Az. What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your posting = have an idea? Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "olin" To: "Arid_Gardener List" ; "Daniel & = Marlene Broek" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: rock phosphate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM > Subject: rock phosphate > > > Hello Mr. Miller, > > You sent this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer = to your > questions? > By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search for rock = phosphate. > Daniel > > "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for Alkaline Soil > Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net) > Thu, 12 Dec 1996 05:54:48 +0000 > I would like to hear from mail list readers about their thoughts = and > experience using phosphate rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil. Bone > meal seems to be the most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in = our > area (Phoenix, AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are also > sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to be > available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now also more-frequently > being recommended as a long-lasting, slow release phosphorus = fertilizer. > My question: is application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline desert > soil appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil > Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention = that > either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have positive > effects on plant growth if applied directly to acid soils. But it = seems the > low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it = ineffective in > our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an adverse effect by > increasing pH? > Olin Miller " > > Hi Daniel - I received the following replies from Dr. Tom Deorge at = the U > of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County Cooperative > Extension: The messages are archived at > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html > and at > http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html > > > "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700 > Olin, > In reply to your questions on rock phosphate applications to = Arizona > soils, > I would make the following comments: You are correct in noting that = rock > phosphate is so insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no value > as a source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have = too > much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an = "organic" > source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal or = high-phosphorus > composts or manures should be used. > Good luck, > Tom Doerge" > > "Let us not forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline > soils. > The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral = soils > and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock phosphate in = our > area is availability. None of the garden stores carries it. And it is > expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a gardener or > oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some other = locally > available source. BYE TOM DEGOMEZ" ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear sir,
I know that pigeon manure is highly acidic (eats = paint off=20 automobiles) and I'm wondering if you might know if rock phosphate could = become=20 something more soluble for our arid Phoenix soil if it goes through the=20 digestive tracts of a pigeon and then added to the compost pile. What = might you=20 think?
 
Daniel
 
Olin,
Thanks, I think this = answered my=20 concerns also. I was going to have my
pigeons use rock phosphate for = grit=20 and, hopefully, result in a
high-phosphate manure for composting. = However, I=20 am starting to doubt that
the pigeon's digestive system and then the=20 composting procedure will make
the phosphate soluble for my soil in = Mesa,=20 Az.

What do you think? Would the gov't men who responded to your = posting=20 have an
idea?
Daniel

----- Original Message -----
From: = "olin"=20 <millero@worldnet.att.net>
To:=20 "Arid_Gardener List" <arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu>; = "Daniel &=20 Marlene
Broek" <dmBroek@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 December 20, 2000 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: rock phosphate


> = -----=20 Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel & Marlene Broek" = <dmBroek@worldnet.att.net>
> = To:=20 <millero@worldnet.att.net>
> = Sent:=20 Wednesday, December 20, 2000 12:15 PM
> Subject: rock=20 phosphate
>
>
> Hello Mr. Miller,
>
> You = sent=20 this inquiry out back in 1996. Did you ever find the answer = to
your
>=20 questions?
> By the what I found your inquiry when I did a search = for rock=20 phosphate.
> Daniel
>
> "Rock Phosphate Fertilizer for = Alkaline Soil
> Olin Miller (millero@worldnet.att.net)
> = Thu, 12 Dec=20 1996 05:54:48 +0000
>     I would like to hear = from=20 mail list readers about their thoughts and
> experience using = phosphate=20 rock as fertilizer in alkaline desert soil.
Bone
> meal seems = to be the=20 most widely used organic phosphorus fertilizer in our
> area = (Phoenix,=20 AZ). Marl or clay based soft phosphorus fertilizers are
also
>=20 sometimes recommended in garden publications but don't appear to = be
>=20 available in the Western US. But phosphate rock is now=20 also
more-frequently
> being recommended as a long-lasting, = slow=20 release phosphorus fertilizer.
>     My = question: is=20 application of raw rock phosphate to our alkaline
desert
> soil = appropriate as a phosphorus fertilizer? My "Fertilizers and Soil
> = Amendments Textbook" and the "Western Fertilizer Handbook" mention = that
>=20 either beneficiated or finely-ground raw rock phosphates have = positive
>=20 effects on plant growth if applied directly to acid soils. But it seems=20 the
> low solubility of raw tricalcium phosphates would render it=20 ineffective in
> our alkaline soil. But would it not also have an = adverse=20 effect by
> increasing pH?
> Olin Miller <millero@worldnet.att.net>"
>
> Hi=20 Daniel - I received the following replies  from Dr. Tom Deorge at = the=20 U
> of A Ag Dept. and from Tom DeGomez at the Cocoino County=20 Cooperative
> Extension:  The messages are archived = at
>=20 http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0439.html
> and at
> http://ag.arizona.edu/hypermail/arid_gardener/0443.html
>
>
> "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:08:50 -0700
>=20 Olin,
>     In reply to your questions on rock = phosphate applications to Arizona
> soils,
> I would make = the=20 following comments: You are correct in noting that rock
> = phosphate is so=20 insoluble in alkaline soils that it is of little or no
value
> = as a=20 source of plant available phosphorus. I doubt that it would have = too
>=20 much effect on soil pH, again because it is so insoluble. If an=20 "organic"
> source of phosphorus is needed then either bone meal = or=20 high-phosphorus
> composts or manures should be used.
> Good = luck,
> Tom Doerge"
>
>     "Let = us not=20 forget that many areas in Arizona do not have alkaline
> = soils.
>=20 The Flagstaff area soils run between 6.7 and 7.3. These are neutral=20 soils
> and rock phosphate may work well. The problem with rock = phosphate=20 in our
> area is availability. None of the garden stores carries = it. And=20 it is
> expensive due to shipping costs, which in the long run a = gardener=20 or
> oganic farmer is probably better off with bone meal or some = other=20 locally
> available source. BYE TOM=20 DEGOMEZ"
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C06B78.E0D3D340-- From millero@worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 02:49:04 2000 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:49:04 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Puppies and Oleander References: <28.ee2f804.2773fb89@aol.com> Message-ID: <004301c06bc1$da1a7100$8a21480c@j0r9501> We had a puppy ingest Nerium Oleander many years ago and she was bleeding from both ends when we took her to the vet where she stayed under his care for 3 days.. Ever since, we keep our dogs away from Nerium Oleander. But our dogs have never eaten the Yellow Oleander (Thevetia) although it is also poisonous. -Olin From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:18:40 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Mesquite [Prosopis] References: <200012210617.XAA21715@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4532D0.762FB124@qwest.net> I generally prune my mesquites to shape in late February, early March, just as they begin to break dormancy. I have the two native mesquites, the smaller Screwbean and Arizona/Velvet mesquites. Both of these will sucker very heavily if you prune too much. My intention, when they were small, was to shape the structure. Now I am thinning the canopy a bit, particularly against prevailing wind. I sometimes have to prune the AZ if there has been alot of summer water and resulting growth, but this is to maintain form and ability to maneuver around it. This has been less of an issue with the screwbean, but because of its location near a walk and patio, it has needed a trim to keep the area 'safe' for pedestrians. If you feel that the tree goes wild in the summer and you have to prune too much, then you are watering too much. These natives need very little water, so save yourself the scratched arms and a trip to the landfill by being more judicious with this particular 'fertilizer'! Most of us will water only once or twice in the summer our native trees, once established. Just like they get from monsoon weather in the wild. The Ironwood Press has a wonderful book in the Johnson's Guide to Gardening series of Plants for the Arid West called Pruning, Planting and Care [by Eric Johnson]. It suggests February is the time to prune [again, I prefer to see what my weather is like] in all but one case, that of the Texas Honey mesquite, for which January is recommended. I mention this book because each mesquite is individually discussed, and you did not mention your specific variety. See if your library has a copy. Linda Guy Master Gardener chexit2@aol.com wrote: > we have a large mesquite tree. what is the best time to cut back? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:28:34 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:28:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palms References: <200012200329.UAA05832@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A453522.A8C37544@qwest.net> You've already received excellent advise from one of my colleagues in answer to your original question. The purpose of my little ditty is to let you know that queen palms are very elegant and add that tropical 'je ne sais quoi' to a yard, but they are not the most suitable palm for our climate and can be fussy unless well cared for. Hot dry winds are a particular problem. I am speaking both from experience and input from our ag agents and a former DBG employee. You might like to peruse our publication on palm trees, which includes the queenies and others, in the publications section of our website. I can't create a link for you within the text of this message because our server appears to be down at this time. I think that it is AZ 1021, and you would find in under Maricopa County publications, in the ornamentals section. There is a hyperlink there to the pub itself. Linda Guy Master Gardener MTCactiPi@aol.com wrote: > This question concerns the size of a palm to buy. I want to plant a queen palm in my yard in Tucson next spring. When is the best(earliest)time to plant in my area? Most nurserys in my area sell 15 gallon or 24" inch boxed plants. Which is the better one to plant? I am leaning toward the 15 gallon due to easier planting. Should the hole be deeper then the rootball and how much wider? I think I will start diging next week so I have plenty of time to dig as big of a hole as is necessary. Also, I live close to a large wash and on land where they used to grow cotton. I know there is lots of calleche down there! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:34:41 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:34:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] High Desert Plants References: <200012142209.PAA02704@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A453691.EE8A87CE@qwest.net> Judy Mielke's book Native Plants for SW Landscapes contains specific references to elevation. Also, have you investigated what Boyce Thompson might have? Being outside of Superior, their climate is a bit more elevated than in Phoenix. Linda Guy Master Gardener oegibson@west.raytheon.com wrote: > I live at 4000' (Arivaca)Southwest of Green Valley AZ. I am looking for a plant source much like the UNLV site that has high desert plants. > Thanks > Owen Gibson > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Sat Dec 23 23:44:02 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Subterranean Clover References: <200012142220.PAA05712@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4538C2.B4131C56@qwest.net> Someone wrote directly to me that a Dave Kopec at the UA would be the person for you to contact. Did you already get this lead? Linda Guy Master Gardener mfleming@thephxzoo.com wrote: > Can anyone tell me if subterranean clover (Trifolium subterraneum) is grown in Arizona and under what conditions? > We may use it inside our zoo exhibits. > It is generaly know as a cover crop or lawn alternative. > Thanks, > Sincerely, > Mark Fleming > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Beverlyfz@aol.com Sun Dec 24 17:16:53 2000 From: Beverlyfz@aol.com (Beverlyfz@aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:16:53 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wild Mesquite Message-ID: Boy - you hit the nail on the head there! My mesquite tree got a toe hold in my greenhouse raised beds and you should see how wild "wild" really is! It is now 14 feet across and the canopy is over the top. The roots are bountiful, even going under the bricks in my walkway. It was a pretty small tree then suddenly it went wild. I didn't know what happened for a little while until I wondered where all those tough roots were coming from. DUH!! I hate to cut it down, I only have a couple of trees here - it is inevitable though. Beverly From sophie@farmchina.com Tue Dec 26 09:26:41 2000 From: sophie@farmchina.com (Sophie Sun) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:26:41 +0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Membership Benefits Updated Message-ID: <200012260926.CAA04492@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Dear Sir or Madam, Wish you a Happy New Year! Thank you for your support. Farmchina.com is trying very best to provide more quality services at very competitive price. We are pleased to announce that we have just updated our membership benefit information on our website, and added very valuable benefit, such as ¡° Chinese company database ¡±; ¡° Finding China distributors ¡±. The information is now clearly outlined in a table that is linked to a short explanation for each member benefit, allowing you to conveniently review our services. 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B From gchimel@imap4.asu.edu Tue Dec 26 17:10:23 2000 From: gchimel@imap4.asu.edu (gchimel@imap4.asu.edu) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:10:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A Communist plot! On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 Beverlyfz@aol.com wrote: > What is this Farmchina? Did you sell our list? B > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From sjbass@uswest.net Tue Dec 26 22:16:34 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:16:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Farmchina message References: Message-ID: <3A4918C2.344E1F45@uswest.net> Beverly - I don't know how this got through without our approval first. I'll look into it, Meantime, thanks for the heads up and just delete it. Sue Bass List serve manager Beverlyfz@aol.com wrote: > What is this Farmchina? Did you sell our list? B > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Tue Dec 26 23:26:44 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Plants for Maricopa County References: <200012142019.NAA09253@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A492934.DA06F8@uswest.net> Sandi: I didn't she that you had received a response to your question. If you did, please excuse the repeat. I'd like to direct you to the Maricopa County Home Horticulture page at: http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/maricopa/garden/ At this site, you will find a wealth of information regarding gardening here in the low desert. If you click on the "publications" option, then choose "Maricopa County" you will find a list of publications, some of which you can view online (this will be highlighted) and others that you can order from the Cooperative Extension office. All information regarding ordering is on this page. Please browse around our web site. We have a Timely Tips sections which tells you what needs to be done and what can be planted each month of the year. The "Recommended Reading" section has a good list of books on plants suitable to our area. The section entitled "Plants" will take you to a page where you can view information on plants for Maricopa County Alphabetically by botanical name or common name. Photographs of the plants are included. This should get you started on your research. Sue Bass Master Gardener skiltech@chorus.net wrote: > I am moving to Phoenix and was wondering what type of plants, flowers and shurbs are good for this area. Any information would be of great help, since I am from the MidWest and I am sure plants are different in Arizona. > > Thanks for you help > Sandi > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From jimcn@gardener.com Wed Dec 27 13:05:57 2000 From: jimcn@gardener.com (jimcn@gardener.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:05:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271305.GAA16789@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Hi - I'm a Master Gardener in the Valley. How can I email my hours to the extension Or is it just fax only? Thanks. From User790795@aol.com Wed Dec 27 13:50:07 2000 From: User790795@aol.com (User790795@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:50:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271350.GAA18854@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Sir: Our mesquite trees look sick. Very few leaves. We have not fed them. what do they require. We have a watering sytem on them. Thank you. Betty C. Wilmot P.S. We live at Mt Brook in Gold Canyon in from of the mountains. Does this have any effect? From mbuksas@worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 27 16:41:16 2000 From: mbuksas@worldnet.att.net (mbuksas@worldnet.att.net) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:41:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271641.JAA05801@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I want to plant two plum trees and an apricot tree, from a publication dated May 1986 the plum varieties listed are Santa Rosa, Beauty and Laroda. Is there a more recent list? I have room for two plum trees so I can get good pollination but which two should I plant to get flowers at the same time (Is that the key to good poolination?)? Where can I purchase the varieties (I live in Gilbert)? Is there a new list of Apricot varieties? Which one would be the best in a home garden? Would I also need two apricot trees? Where do I find the best varieties? Thanks for your help. From Bert.Bender@asu.edu Wed Dec 27 17:58:06 2000 From: Bert.Bender@asu.edu (Bert.Bender@asu.edu) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:58:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271758.KAA15677@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Two questions: 1. Sick looking Mondel Pine. My 20-yr old pine (originally a living Christmas tree in a pot) is about 40 ft. tall, but its needles are looking droopy, and three lower limbs have recently suddenly died. Whata should I do? 2. Sick looking grapefruit tree. My 20 year old pink grapefruit looks very thin and the fruit this year was small, though rather plentiful. I think I shocked it last spring by fertilizing it before giving it a good soaking. We have been giving it regualr deep waterings for the past few months. There are some new leaves but they look a little pale and yellow. What's up? Thanks for your time! Bert Bender From Kingsley28@home.com Wed Dec 27 18:15:42 2000 From: Kingsley28@home.com (Kingsley28@home.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:15:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271815.LAA18296@Ag.Arizona.Edu> How and when is the best time to graft citrus trees? From tami.rawlings@juno.com Wed Dec 27 18:26:48 2000 From: tami.rawlings@juno.com (tami.rawlings@juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:26:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271826.LAA19795@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I'd like to know what time of year is best to prune a fountain grass plant. I also need to find out what is the best method to prune it. Is this information available on this website? I've viewed several links and not been able to find this out yet. From tami.rawlings@juno.com Wed Dec 27 18:26:52 2000 From: tami.rawlings@juno.com (tami.rawlings@juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:26:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012271826.LAA19805@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I'd like to know what time of year is best to prune a fountain grass plant. I also need to find out what is the best method to prune it. Is this information available on this website? I've viewed several links and not been able to find this out yet. From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:04:55 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Fountain Grass References: <200012271826.LAA19805@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4A3D57.5FF36FAC@uswest.net> Fountain grass (Pennisetum) can be cut back pretty severely in the winter. We cut ours back just before Thanksgiving and it is already growing new plumes and looking less scraggly. Here is a page I located with information on fountain grass http://www.plantadviser.com/plants/pennseta.shtml Sue Bass Master Gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:12:59 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Budding Citrus Trees References: <200012271815.LAA18296@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4A3F3B.B29349CC@uswest.net> Here is a publication on budding citrus that you can view on line: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1146.pdf Good luck! Sue Bass Master Gardener Kingsley28@home.com wrote: > How and when is the best time to graft citrus trees? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From sjbass@uswest.net Wed Dec 27 19:33:32 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:32 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mesquite losing leaves References: <200012271350.GAA18854@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4A440C.34E24B40@uswest.net> Betty: Most mesquites, with the exception of the Argentine Mesquite, are deciduous, losing their leaves until after the risk of frost has past. The Arizona Municipal Water Users Association recommends watering desert-adapted trees once every 30-60 days in the winter. Mesquites require very little care after their first year in the ground and many people believe it best to stop watering them altogether after their first year as they are desert trees and adapted to live on what little water the desert provides them. Here is a link to previous answer to a question on Mesquite care by fellow Master Gardener Linda Guy. It contains lots of good "food for thought" on caring for Mesquites, including information from Mary Irish, formerly of the Desert Botanical Garden. http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-March/003388.html Sue Bass Master Gardener User790795@aol.com wrote: > Sir: Our mesquite trees look sick. Very few leaves. We have not fed them. what do they require. We have a watering sytem on them. Thank you. Betty C. Wilmot P.S. We live at Mt Brook in Gold Canyon in from of the mountains. Does this have any effect? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From jns804@qwest.net Wed Dec 27 22:36:36 2000 From: jns804@qwest.net (jns804@qwest.net) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:36:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012272236.PAA23645@Ag.Arizona.Edu> When should orange trees be fertilized? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Wed Dec 27 23:29:42 2000 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:29:42 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Sick trees Message-ID: Bert, We've had a long hot summer and inadequate irrigation can cause lots of problems for your trees and plants. It is normal for the bottom branches to die on mature pines. Pine blight often caused by radical weather changes can make the pine look sickly, and since it is physiological will not be life threatning provided the tree is getting proper care. You didn't give enough specifics about watering your citrus tree such as how long between waterings, method of watering and how much water was applied in summer. Did you fertilize more than once and how much ? It is normal for citrus leaves to yellow in the winter. It is also normal for citrus to have alternate good and bad years. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on irrigation at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist From tunenmel@aol.com Wed Dec 27 23:40:50 2000 From: tunenmel@aol.com (tunenmel@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:40:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012272340.QAA02099@Ag.Arizona.Edu> I have a variety of shrubs and trees and need to know what type of pruning is needed and when. I have a Chinese evergreen elm, sweet acacia and Brazillian pepper tree. I also have Texas sage and dwarf oleander. What care do they need this time of year? Any advice is appreciated.I live in Chandler. From b.graham2@home.com Thu Dec 28 04:18:46 2000 From: b.graham2@home.com (b.graham2@home.com) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:18:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012280418.VAA01595@Ag.Arizona.Edu> When is the best time to prune/shape citrus trees ? I have lemon,orange and grapefruit trees(7 in all). They are now bearing lots of fruit and this does not seem to be a good time ! When is ? Also (if I'm allowed another Q ), we have a large(20-25')very bushy grapefruit tree (drip line about 15' in diameter ) that is lucky to give us 2 or 3 small fruit. I fertilize 3 times a year,etc. Problems ? From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 15:30:56 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:30:56 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fertilizing Citrus References: <200012272236.PAA23645@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B5CB0.C864B4C9@uswest.net> Citrus should be fertilized three times a year beginning in February or March, then April or May and finally in July or August. Sue Bass Master Gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Thu Dec 28 16:11:47 2000 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:11:47 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Reference Material-Various Ornamentals References: <200012071645.JAA08018@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B6643.B2F7C4E9@qwest.net> The easiest and very comprehensive source of information for these ornamentals would be the Sunset Western Garden Book, carried in virtually every public library. Linda Guy Master Gardener amandaset@aol.com wrote: > If you have any information you could send to me regarding the following plants: > Poverty bush > Mexican Heather > Pink Verbena > Royal Robe bush > Salvia greggi sage > Thank you, Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From thulsey@phelpsdodge.com Thu Dec 28 16:33:38 2000 From: thulsey@phelpsdodge.com (thulsey@phelpsdodge.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:33:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200012281633.JAA04273@Ag.Arizona.Edu> We are having a home built currently in Peoria. The lot that we have is backed up to a busy street, and I am looking for sound barrier options. I would like to have trees with leaves, not the needle type. Our yard is not going to be too big, and we are planning on a pool. I would like to incorporate a 2 to 3 fruit trees into the barrier. From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 17:29:00 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] [Fwd: [Fwd: e-mailing time cards]] Message-ID: <3A4B785C.21DD7AC4@uswest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding this to the list in case any other MG's out there need to know to whom they should e-mail volunteer hours. Sue Bass --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A4B74D1.FF55513F@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:13:53 -0700 From: Sue Bass X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimcn@gardener.com Subject: [Fwd: e-mailing time cards] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding the response I received from Kathleen Peterson about e-mailing time cards. Sue Bass --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: sjbass@mail-phnx.uswest.net Received: (qmail 15944 invoked by uid 0); 28 Dec 2000 17:10:10 -0000 Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 17:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90744 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0000 Received: from mail.mailstart.com (207.231.76.67) by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0000 Received: from silver [207.231.76.50] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3EF689400F2; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:10:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:10:09 -0800 Message-Id: <281200363.33008@24.177.222.15> From: kpetersn@ag.arizona.edu To: sjbass@uswest.net Subject: RE: e-mailing time cards Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Sue, You can e-mail them to me. Just put the date, activity, code (if you know it) and number of hours. I will print out the e-mails and put them in the hours box when I get them. Happy holidays! Kathleen --- Original Message --- Sue Bass Wrote on Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:38:52 -0700 ------------------ Hello Kathleen! Happy holidays! a question came in on how to e-mail MG time cards in. I don't have an answer for that. Is there someone in particular our time is e-mailed to? Thanks! Sue ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------2A71EA12ED3A1C50D54CD316-- --------------93B004E02C9CD6D7222FF49B-- From sjbass@uswest.net Thu Dec 28 17:36:47 2000 From: sjbass@uswest.net (Sue Bass) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:36:47 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Landscape Choices for Backyard with Pool Planned References: <200012281633.JAA04273@Ag.Arizona.Edu> Message-ID: <3A4B7A2F.D5829634@uswest.net> I'd like to direct you to our list of publications. Go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Under Ornamentals you will find many publications that will be helpful to you in choosing plant material for your backyard, including trees. The publications that are underlined are viewable on line. Just click on the title and you will see the PDF file. Of particular interest to you may be the publication entitled, "Plants for Poolside Landscapes"
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